Reality Check India

Scientific questions to ASI on Ram Sethu

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on September 21, 2007

A truly rational scientist asks the following questions to the ASI.

http://asi.nic.in/

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Email to : directorgeneralasiindia@gmail.com

To : The Director General – Archeological Survey of India

Dear Sir,

You may be aware that recently there has been a lot of anxiety about your affidavit stating that there is no scientific evidence that the Ram Sethu could have had a non-natural past. Your comments about the characters and events in the epic caused a lot of heartburn to the public.

On behalf of all people who want science to take its rightful place, I hope you can throw some light on the following questions.

1. What expeditions have you undertaken in the Palk Strait area ? Can we have a list made available on your website ? Were they underwater or just arial surveys ?

2. What methodology have you used to locate submerged artifacts ? Any sonar / radio equipment ? Can you list them ?

3. How many rock and coral samples have you collected ? Have you taken expeditions in Sri Lankan waters ? Have you excavated at Mannar island  and its surroundings ? I cant find any mention of excavations on your website in the Danushkodi area, in and around Pamban, or underwater in and around the Ram Sethu in Indian territorial waters. I cant find any mention of underwater archeology in the Palk Strait / Mannar Bay in Indian or Sri Lankan waters on your underwater archeology website. I also cannot find details of co-operation with the Sri Lankan side at and off Talaimannar.

4. A Congress MP claims that the ASI used to guide tourists at sites like Chitrakoot and Bharadwaj ashram. ASI information boards pointing to various sites associated with characters in the Ramayana were placed at these sites. Is this true ?

I request you to make available these material on your website, preferably in PDF format.

Yours Truly,

CCCCC

A well wisher

PS: I would humbly request you to get a real email address instead of using a free GMAIL account. This is simply because all your emails including sensitive ones will be stored on overseas computers.  The ASI is an important part of the Indian government, we cant afford to take a risk with the critical communications stored and controlled by other countries.

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  1. Ashwametha yaga's horse said, on September 21, 2007 at 7:50 am

    Questions to rational scientist

    1. Did The same Rama built the under water bridges all over the world (at least 55 are there is the same images published by NASA)
    2. Why is that no one made any noise before this project started
    3. Armies of Rama defeated Armies of Ravana. Can you ask Srilanka to be a part of India Today as they were defeated by us
    4. Was this spot worshipped before this controversy ??
    5. How many pujas were so far conducted in this bridge

  2. Ashwametha yaga's horse said, on September 21, 2007 at 7:52 am

    can you forward the question to the rational scientist and ask his answers

  3. realitycheck said, on September 21, 2007 at 8:24 am

    You are commenting all over the place. Just say it once.

    >> 4. Was this spot worshipped before this controversy ?? >>

    I repeat it is nonsense that this Ram Sethu “mound” (if you will) was not revered.

    Thousands used to go and still go to Danushkodi to perform last rites of their forefathers. Just ask the jeep drivers there how many go to perform pujas.

    It is a complete lie to say that Ram is not revered by people of other castes.

    Thevars (a Kshatriya caste) have revered Ram for long. I suspect you dont know Tamil history much, why do you think Thevar kings like Muthuramalingam Sethupathy of Ramanathapuram were named so ?

    What does Sethupathy mean ? It is one of the most common names in that area of all castes. The Sethupathy kings (Thevars) were the most pious devotees of Rama and completed the temple both at Rameswaram and Devipatnam. It is another matter that today these Kshatriyas now break from their forefathers and align with the DMK movement against Rama.

    The original Rama temples were probably constructed by Tamil Kings from Sri Lanka ( probably Vellalas, not sure ).

    Anyway, if you want this project to continue along this route, then the leaders must avoid foul street language and work calmly and with dignity. It will stir up passions and complicate things.

  4. Ashwametha yaga's horse said, on September 21, 2007 at 9:05 am

    Thousands also go to Kasi to perform the last rites..
    By the way.. Rameshwaram is revered because Rama performed puja after killing ravana …. It is for that this place is worshipped….
    No one denies that There are pujas in Rameshwaram.
    The question is the puja in the site where they propose to dredge
    Common. no one said that they are going to destroy rameshwaram temple

    1. Did The same Rama built the under water bridges all over the world (at least 55 are there is the same images published by NASA)
    2. Why is that no one made any noise before this project started
    3. Armies of Rama defeated Armies of Ravana. Can you ask Srilanka to be a part of India Today as they were defeated by us
    4. Was this spot worshipped before this controversy ??
    5. How many pujas were so far conducted in this bridge

    I am getting no answers for the questions
    If you or the rational scientist have any genuine answers please answer

    My answers

    1. No
    2. They are not worried about Rama. There are thousands of TEMPLES which are in dilapidated state. These ramasevaks can very well repair those and give money to buy ghee for atleast lighting lamps for pooja. They do not do that. The aim is to prevent SSCP. these guys have vested interest. First they told environment. now they tell this reason.
    3. Of course not
    4. NEVER NEVER NEVER. The spot of worship was Rameshwaram temple, which is the “spot” Rama built a lingam to worship lord shiva
    5. NO PUJA in the “natural mount” till date

  5. Sharan Sharma said, on September 21, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    I am having trouble comprehending the set of questions posed in the previous comment(s) and their purpose. I thought the post was about ascertaining how much work has gone into unearthing evidence and importantly, being transparent about it. After all, i suspect that ‘rational scientist’ is an honest tax payer and he is entitled to answers. Anyway,

    > 1. Did The same Rama built the under water bridges all over the world (at least 55 are there is the same images published by NASA)

    We are not aware of any such claim. Are you?

    > 2. Why is that no one made any noise before this project started

    i imagine that things are left alone, there will be no ‘noise’. See, the average Hindu is very accommodating. When you start fiddling around too much, you’re asking for trouble.

    > 3. Armies of Rama defeated Armies of Ravana. Can you ask Srilanka to be a part of India Today as they were defeated by us

    hmm…we should have asked Bangladesh to be a part of India in 1971.
    To aid you in understanding this analogy realize that Ravana was an Indian ,from present-day Gujarat.

    4. Was this spot worshipped before this controversy ??

    Is this a necessary condition?

    5. How many pujas were so far conducted in this bridge
    See point 4 above. Actually, before that see RCs reply.

    I suspect if the ASI and it’s political masters had stuck to the bridge alone, it wouldn’t have raised hackles. But by questioning the faith itself and using gutter language (eg. ‘drunkard)’ they’ve got a lot of people irritated.

  6. Kumar said, on September 21, 2007 at 1:59 pm

    [I]1. Did The same Rama built the under water bridges all over the world (at least 55 are there is the same images published by NASA)[/I]
    Not relevant to issue at hand since ASI of India is not passing judgements on those 55 bridges nor Indians care for those bridges world wide.
    Pardon the phrase, but you seem to have bought a few of those bridges from Karunananidhi.

    [I]2. Why is that no one made any noise before this project started[/I]
    Noise about what. If your house is being demolished/robbed by some goons you’ll “make noise” after it happens or before?

    [I]3. Armies of Rama defeated Armies of Ravana. Can you ask Srilanka to be a part of India Today as they were defeated by us[/I]
    Ho ho ho.. Even Rama left Vibhishana in charge of Lanka. Vibhishana was Ravana’s brother you know?

    Let’s get back Askai Chin and Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir first if we aren’t too busy giving away Siachen.

    [I]4. Was this spot worshipped before this controversy ??[/I]
    Asked and answered by others. You have obiviously no clue about the Ramaewsharam temple, it’s rituals, it’s traditions or even some alternate names for the deities in there. If the discourse is honest, I’ll list it more for you. Else, in parlance of your Italian superwoman – ciao

    [I]5. How many pujas were so far conducted in this bridge[/I]
    See 5

    Please RC, do we have juveniles commenting here. It’s no fun.

  7. Ashwametha yaga's horse said, on September 21, 2007 at 2:44 pm

    I was talking about the pujas being performed in the natural mound

    The problem is not rameshwaram temple…

    It was rameshwaram temple in which rama performed puja. no one is going to affect that

    the problem is that few anti indian pro sri lankan guys are trying to prevent a scheme that is going to benefit india.

    Once the environmental issue did not hold water they have raked up this. this is political gimmick

    why not we have idiots who cannot even understand the difference between rameshwaram and a mound in sea

    If your house is being demolished
    we are not talking about a house. it is about a natural mound

  8. Ashwametha yaga's horse said, on September 21, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    We are not aware of any such claim. Are you?

    we are very sure that these are natural mounds… and so is the mound between india and srilanka.. even rc has told that it is a mound

    the question is not whether it is a bridge or mound – it is a mound

  9. Ashwametha yaga's horse said, on September 21, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Was this spot worshipped before this controversy ?? NO
    How many pujas were so far conducted in this natural mound NO

    Now if you consider Sabari mala or tiruvannamalai (as RC said) they too are natural mounds but they are being worshipped for a lot of time But not the sand mounds in the bay of bengal

    only because few anti india pro sri lanka guys wanted to stop SSCP they are spreading rumours. can rc or any one tell that there were annual pujas in this mound till date

    common guys there are so many real temples which are in dark as they do not have money to buy oil . ghee to light lamps.. try to light those instead of supporting srilanka, the biggest enemy of india (do you know that india’s candidate to UN Sec Gen lost because Srilanka fielded another candidate and refused to support India) it is very sorry that we have mentally deranged persons supporting that government and cannot even differentiate between rameshwaram temple and mound

  10. Ashwametha yaga's horse said, on September 21, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    You have obiviously no clue about the Ramaewsharam temple, it’s rituals, it’s traditions or even some alternate names for the deities in there.

    do you know which direction the rituals are done
    do you know that rama ordered the bridge to be destroyed

  11. Rajiv_Gandhi said, on September 21, 2007 at 3:09 pm

    I agree that it is a conspiracy by Sri Lankan vested “jackals” to sabotage this wonderful project. Please listen to the peaceful ones who helped me transition into my afterlife. My helpers will benefit from increased shipping presence which can be used to smuggle arms and other shipments to other helpers, who are very pro-Indian. In fact, my pro-Indian helpers are very keen on helping other Indians also into a glorious afterlife, if this project does not succeed.

  12. Kumar said, on September 21, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Ashwametha,

    And Bridge to be destroyed per Rama’s orders? Which Rama? The one your Karnunanidhi say’s didn’t exists? Or the Rama that existed but was drunk?

    Can you name some alternate names of the deities at Rameshwaram? Let’s see if you can start with that.

    only because few anti india pro sri lanka guys wanted to stop SSCP they are spreading rumours
    Karunanidhi’s LTTE scums profit from peddling drug/weapon across the gulf here. Let’s not loose focus.

  13. Gaurav said, on September 21, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    I don’t know who this horse guy is, but he needs his medication, quick.

  14. Gaurav said, on September 21, 2007 at 3:46 pm

    RC,

    Any comment about “the case of missing post”

  15. The Catapult » What about Bharata? said, on September 21, 2007 at 6:29 pm

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  16. Bodhi said, on September 21, 2007 at 6:56 pm

    Pardon me Reality Check, but it was too tempting not to answer these:

    4. Was this spot worshipped before this controversy ??

    Have you ever known what Indian Constitution says about what is a heritage site or sacred site?

    Let me quote the Madras High Court’s position in this context. Referring to Additional Solicitor-General V.T.Gopalan’s stand that the structure was not man-made but a natural formation, the Bench on June 20, had said, “Be that as it may. The definition in the 1958 Act it is apparent that a national monument has a very wide meaning, and included stone, river, etc. and need not be an object that is necessarily worshipped in order for it to be considered sacred by a community.

    5. How many pujas were so far conducted in this bridge?

    Let me quote from Sri Skanda Maha Purana. Please refer to my article at http://ramasetu.blogspot.com/2007/05/rama-setu-in-skanda-purana-1.html

    (48) One, who prostrates in the middle of the Setu’s sandbank, his sins becomes dulled. And ultimately his sins are subdued, O Best of the Dvija-s. (49) So much so, that the grimmest sin that arises from killing a Bramhana, no doubt, even that is destroyed by performing rites there, if every part of his (sinner’s) body touches the winds in the middle of the Setu. (50) Offenses of drinking liquors instantly disappear by shaving the hair in the middle of the Setu. (51) Even the gravest sinner, who violates the bed of his own teacher – his sins too are destroyed instantly, by sons and grandsons immersing his last remains in the middle of the Setu. Who has sinned by stealing gold, even his sins are destroyed instantly.

    Reality Check, I am posting your awesome post at my blog too, with acknowledgements, hope you wouldn’t mind.

  17. Barbarindian said, on September 21, 2007 at 10:31 pm

    Dear Horse,

    You are galloping in all directions and making an ass of yourself in the process. First of all, your handle and most of your rant seems to be aimed at insulting certain folks. Then you turn around and try to convince the same folks by suggesting the project could bring light to many poor area temples etc. Sounds like you are also confusing the 123-agreement with the Setu Project.

    Now, let’s just take one of your ideas and expand on it a little bit:
    You suggest that Sri Lanka put up a decoy candidate to thwart India’s chance. Now, the elections of the UN Gen Secy is a totally different process than the vote splitting idea you have in mind.

    Jayantha Dhanapala (nominated by Sri Lanka; withdrew from race on 29 September)
    Shashi Tharoor (nominated by India; withdrew from race on 2 October)

    As you can see, the Lankan dude actually withdrew BEFORE Tharoor. Also, we have other friendlier neighbors who had a stronger reason to not want Tharoor out there.

    Your level of gullibility is scary. Please don’t believe everything Karuna uncle says. He is a nasty dude.

  18. Rajiv_Gandhi said, on September 22, 2007 at 2:47 am

    Aswamedha-Yaga’s horsey is ma-man. Enna sollarai thambi? Samathu kudharai thane nee? Indha konjam pullu sappudu, kochukathey. So how is Prabhakaran uncle? Any more news about suicide bombings from our dear mama? Speaking of mama’s, I heard Karu sends his four wives to the four corners of Tamil Nadu periodically in a modern day Aswamedha Yaga equivalent, is that true? Being a smart horsey, you must share the salacious info with us! I even heard he has started a new religion where he promises every dude a branded “rationalist” yellow shawl, a Steve Wonder set of shades so no one can notice the surreptitious ogling, and four babes to get down and party! Yeah! Since I am sure you are a highly ranked member of this vaunted clan, you got to give us the inside dope on these rationalist wonders and morals that every “rationalist” dude should abide by! Giddyap, baby, tell us all, don’t be shy! Tumhare mooh mein shakkar, sollu thambi!

  19. Rajiv_Gandhi said, on September 22, 2007 at 3:00 am

    I heard that Karu has 500 crores of money stashed away, even his “poet” daughter has some 20 crores! I wish all poets in India earn like this. I bet it is because she is a “rationalist” poet and a “rationalist” member!? Please tell us your “rationalist” views on this! Anyway, what say you and me hit up Karu mama for the 80 crores out of his personal kitty since these damn Hindutva guys are stalling this project which will bring our state 80 crores of revenue? By the way horsey, did you try swimming across the Palk straits recently? Man I tell you, it is getting hard to get our loot across to Prabhakaran uncle these days, we could use your help. Come now my pony, lets go for a ride cowboy ishstyle!! Viva la Castro, viva la Stalin, viva la Che Guevara, Viva revolucion!

  20. realitycheck said, on September 22, 2007 at 2:11 pm

    >> Any comment about “the case of missing post” >>

    Gaurav,

    It will be back up. I messed up the HTML formats while attempting to save it.

    Remember this : The ‘quota-without-data’ system is the root of everything we see around us. The truth (ie, data) is the only thing that can stop these foul mouthed leaders in their tracks.

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  22. Revathi said, on September 24, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    There are a lot of people out there who need Ravan for their survival- so the existence of Ravan proves the existence of Ram. So sad that our Gods have come to this stage. They will probably go the way the greek and the norse gods did.

  23. rajib said, on February 19, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    I can only that the supreme lord SHREE RAM is a genuine truth an nothing else except this… He also knew that in kalyug… some peoples won’t even believe on the existence of even the almighty GOD.
    That is why the almighty GOD had left this miracle SHREE SHREE RAM SETU……… JAI SHREE RAM


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