Reality Check India

The Tamilnadu case !

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on April 11, 2006

By now it must be clear to all that IITs and IIMs will succumb to the politics of reservation. It may be delayed by a year or two but it will happen.

Our north Indian friends are advised to take a look at Tamilnadus educational system. This is important because this is what the entire India will be like in 10 years time.

Some amazing facts:

* No one is allowed to study the _effects_ of reservation on the OBCs

* The creamy layer concept is ignored totally. All political parties support this. They want the same people to continue enjoying the benefits year after year. Kerala are you listening, OBCs in TN do not even know what a “non creamy layer certificate” is. They are all eligible – even those whose both parents are doctors, lawyers, and if they come from communities with no history of oppression.

* The exams are unlike anything you will see in India. In other states getting 90% may be a big deal, but in Tamilnadu there are 1400+ 100% cases in Biology for 1300+ medical seats. Hundreds are tied at 98.75. This is the case with all subjects.

* Traditionally educated communities within the OBC group dominate. That is the reason groups like Vanniyers broke away and formed a MBC (Most backward caste) group. You will see more groups claiming a quota within a quota, which is a fair demand

* The students from the OBC groups are very competitive and many easily get into the general category quota. Why would they not ? They are hard working and intelligent just like anyone else. Many of them have highly educated parents and attend the best schools and coaching. In short, they are not backward in any shape, size, or form. So unless you are a freak, who believes in the genetic superiority of some people – this is quite expected.

* Only one community is paying for the sins of all. Luckily most northern states and other southern states will escape this uniquely Tamil accident of history

* Private colleges will take over as the premier educational institutions due to faculty reservations and other reasons in government colleges.

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  1. nevermind said, on April 11, 2006 at 7:40 am

    rasa, you came from Armenia. Go there. Ask for justice.

  2. Bruno said, on May 1, 2006 at 2:37 am

    * The students from the OBC groups are very competitive and many easily get into the general category quota. Why would they not ? They are hard working and intelligent just like anyone else. Many of them have highly educated parents and attend the best schools and coaching. In short, they are not backward in any shape, size, or form. So unless you are a freak, who believes in the genetic superiority of some people – this is quite expected.

    How this has been possible…. Becasue THey were given reservation one generation ago, the next generation is ABLE TO COMEON PAR WQITH FORward Community….

    This very amply counters the argument that “merit will suffer” because of reservations…. You can very well see that such a logic (which you too oftern write in your blog is absolutely rubbish… Merit WILL NOT SUFFER Due to reservation

    It also gives for my point which I (alone ) have been shouting…. When a person has benefitted from reservations, HIS KIDS SHOULD BE TREATED under Open Category, irrespective of his educational status, as you have seen that the OBC are very competitie….

    Read the following posts
    http://www.nellaimedicos.com/blog/bruno/2005/07/merit-list-that-shows-merit.html

    http://www.nellaimedicos.com/blog/bruno/2006/01/reservation-and-upliftment.html

    Reservation need not be given to children whose parents have enjoyed the benefits….

    That is ……… If Mr.A has got MBBS seat or a Govt job by reservation, his children have to compete is Open Quota ONLY…….

    We have ample proof to say (see the admission list in Tamil nadu in the link given at the top of this post) that Once you give an oppurtunity to backward class, the next generation are able to be on par with other people

    What is your opinion

  3. realitycheck said, on May 1, 2006 at 7:48 am

    Bruno-


    It also gives for my point which I (alone ) have been shouting…. When a person has benefitted from reservations, HIS KIDS SHOULD BE TREATED under Open Category, irrespective of his educational status, as you have seen that the OBC are very competitie….

    Bruno – I totally agree with you. There must be some checks and balances in the system. There is none today.

    If your suggestion is taken up – that would be a great step towards a fair system.

    If you read my blog carefully. I am not against reservations at all.

    What we should focus on is:
    1. Monitor the system
    2. Provide access to admission figures based on the individual communities in the OBC category. That should be really easy – just a simple database query.
    3. Test each OBC component periodically for backwardness taking into account land holdings (jamins), political representation, benefits accrued so far.

    Of course, these rules do not apply to SC/ST/or even MBC – because it is easy to establish that these communities have been *socially hurt* from the caste system.

    Nobody can claim that landholding (erstwhile jamins like Moopanar, Gounders, Naikers) have been socially hurt.

    If these checks and balances are put in place – there cannot be much complaint against the system.

    We can then put in place a method to re-evaluate the system and even start scaling down if required.

    The final goal is to achieve a just and fair society where no community or group get undue privilege or unfair discrimination.

  4. murali said, on June 20, 2006 at 5:06 pm

    bruno has not commented on the real issue,that once some one has benefitted from reservation,he should be removed from the reserved category.i saw an article recently by thirumavelan in dinakaran,pouring venom on this argument.he claimed that the upper castes were out to eliminate competition from the educated backwards.the truth is that the tamil chauvinists want to reduce the brahmana influence to the minimum.in this they have largely succeeded.from their viewpoint,this is perhaps even understandable.they have never comfortable with the concept of india.brilliant indviduals from the brahmana community will excel,others will have to accept their karma.after all, many more millions suffer a worse fate.howmuchever people like you might protest,this is not likely to make any impact.though i hope ,they see one day,what we are asking is only a fair deal for everyone.

  5. realitycheck said, on June 20, 2006 at 5:46 pm

    Murali-

    Also dont forget the very people for whom the quota has been established. The really backward OBCs, in all the slogan shouting their voices are drowned. What percent of medical students come from slums ? What percent of medical students are sons of barbers, tanners, cowherds ?

    See how lack of data prevents us from getting at the core of the discussion.

    Get data and everything will fall into place.

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