Reality Check India

Scared of data ?

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on May 31, 2006

Yesterday on the Karan Thapar show  (May 30 06, Devils Advocate on CNBC-TV18) there was an amazing interview with two of the agitating students. What the students said shocked the nation ? They pointed to the fact that their discussions with the government were marked by two faced talking and sometimes plain cheating! 

To jog your memory this was the set of meetings between the GoM (which included two members from TN 50% quota)

Read on – there are three main points these students touched upon.

PC: Dont keep asking for a study, just accept the quota ! 

pc.jpgStudents* : Why dont you just constitute a commission to conduct a study of the effects of the OBC quota ?

PC*: Dont be so idealistic, just accept the fact that quotas are here to stay and learn to live with it.

 * exact words might have been different

In the absence of even rudimentary facts about OBCs, the students are asking for a study of the system. As a minister holding the top portfolio, shouldnt he be asking the students to be idealistic.  Again, for those familiar with TN politics, this is par for the course.

A letter on a A-4 paper with no name

This is unbelievable but true. So, the GoM finally decides to give the "letter thing to the pesky students", so they pull out a A-4 paper type up something (which suspiciouly looks like a cut and paste from a newspaper report), and hand it to these students.

The paper was not on a letter head, and bore no seal of the state.

The paper was not signed nor was a name mentioned in the paper.

To view the actual letter go to :

How can these students trust the government which tries to pull a fast one on them ? They insisted that the paper be on a letterhead and signed by the cabinet secretary. That was refused it seems, because they dont have a letter which looks official. The letter they have is worthless and the government will disown it in 10 seconds.

This shows the malafide intentions of this government in the whole issue. It seems like the GoM was never able to establish any trust with these young students, that is why the talks acheived nothing. It was also probably why the two TN fellas were moved out of the current group headed by Mr Moily. 

Increasing seats : the trick up its sleeve

This is something we must be alert about, because it is a trick that is up the sleeve of the government. The constant refrain is that the seats in these institutes will remain the same for general category students. Can you find the trick in that sentence ? Probably not.

ropetrick.jpgThe devil as usual is in the details. The government has only said that the *total* number of seats will remain the same. It does not mean that the seats at each college will be the same. The students apparently asked for an assurance on this point and draw a blank from the GoM.

What this really means is : The government can increase seats hugely in say Mediocre-Medical-College-A and keep the seats in AIIMS constant. So, the number of seats in AIIMS will be drastically cut for the open competition students – but will be offset by increases in other colleges. To illustrate further, you could see a drastic increase in IIM-Indore or even a new IIM or conversion of a state univ to IIM, but no increase in IIM-A. So, what will happen is that at IIM-A, 27% will be taken off the competition – while the net remains the same. Get the trick ?

The government would not commit on the above point. This renders the whole scheme useless – apart from the great tragedy that 12,000 crores is going to be spent on a sugar coating effort just to damage control a HRD minister gone berserk. In the meantime, millions of kids in villages are scratching their heads wondering, why does my school not have a roof, and how long am I going to be studying under a tree, and when will my teacher show up for class !

Something to think about.

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  1. barbarindian said, on May 31, 2006 at 7:10 pm

    Great post.

    The problem is, the only way to keep the political advantage now would be to add 27% quotas at one shot sans the creamy layer exclusion (else the powerful OBC lobbies would get mighty pissed). Congress has no other option now. But for the cretin Arjun Singh, they could have announced a 9% quota each year for the next three years, with corresponding increase in intake. It would not piss off the GC folks so much and yet have some sort of advantage from OBC folks. The creamy layer would not be under the radar (perhaps the legitimacy of OBC reservations itself would not get under scrutiny). It is clear that it was mostly Arjun’s initiative.

    As I was expecting, the SC was brought in just to scare the medicos off, thought you were a little more optimistic about it.

    My preditions:
    1. Quota of 27% at one go
    2. No creamy layer
    3. New constitutional amendment adding clause of social equality which basically eliminates creamy layer
    4. By year end Kamal Nath will be breathing down the neck of private sector
    5. Some regional parties will now go for fragmenting the OBC for local political advantage

    The Point #5 will be the only good thing to come out of the whole thing.

  2. realitycheck said, on May 31, 2006 at 7:34 pm

    The honorable supreme court has done the right thing. The entire list of students demands are under the purview of the SC and therefore sub-judice.

    The students can take a breather get back to work and organize themselves much better for bigger protests later.

    It is a foregone conclusion that the SC will ask for data and demand a very strict removal of creamy layer. There is a strong precedent of that happening.

    A key thing to remember is that even during the mandal judgement 1991, 3 of the 7 member bench were strongly against OBC quota based on caste alone.

    In the meantime, we must do is to stay one step ahead of the government. Pick out all the loopholes in its policies and try to bring it out into the open.

    We are in 2006, in the age of internet, globalization, and instant information. That will ensure that the truth will win this time.

  3. barbarindian said, on May 31, 2006 at 7:55 pm

    I think one of the key data we need is the percentage of OBCs in premier institutes. According to some reports the IITs have about 20% OBC students who get their on their own steam. Karan Thapar himself mentioned that about 23% of students in all premier colleges are OBCs.

    Not sure how to get the data. Voluntary disclosure of OBCs in these institutes may work but doubtful. Besides the pro-quota lobby can reject these findings as fabricated.

    By the way, the AIIMS students’ body head is one Mandal. Did you notice that?

  4. Surat Singh said, on June 1, 2006 at 6:46 am

    Great. So it is finally being proven that this country is going to the dogs. No matter how much education uve had, the moment u come into politics, it goes down the drain. No future of this country. Its hopeless. We are doomed and thanks to Congress, the biggest traitors in history. Oh god, its hopless, there is no hope left now. We cant do anything. Our country has indeed gone to dogs.

  5. ankan said, on June 1, 2006 at 4:58 pm

    Great Job!

    Why the hell do the leading news organizations not report this? Man, these politicians are really a degenerated lot. Pity that our lives are controlled by these bottomless idiots.

  6. Antidote said, on June 20, 2007 at 4:23 am

    well i think as the supreme court has now intervined the situation has got slightly better but our hrd minister thiks he`s above the supreme governing body and is radically stopping interview calls at the iims is he a dog or what and congress will pay through the hands of all the students in the due lok sabha elections.

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