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Review after 5 or 10 years – Moily

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on September 28, 2006

The Moily report is out. Does anyone really care because the bill has already been drafted and sent to the parliamentary standing committee without even waiting for a draft of this report ?

The media is obsessed with the new phrase of the month “Gandhigiri”. Every channel is obsessed with supercilious issues – there is very little coverage of important issues (ULFA,Naxals,Quotas). I really dont want to see Saif / Abhishek / Rani on mainstream news channels.  Can we round them all and create a separate Indian version of E! entertainment television ? 


The committee has refused to tread on the contentious creamy layer issue. “We have left it for the government to decide,”

Any guesses what will happen ? Get ready for a constitutional showdown. If the creamy layer is not applicable, then what about the Indira Sawhney judgement. Creamy layer students in all states (except TN) have been kept out of the quota for 16 years. 

  • On what basis can you prevent creamy layer OBCs in St Johns Medical college Bangalore but allow them in MAMS and AIIMS ?
  • Conversely,  how can discriminate against the poor OBC when it comes to elite institutions ? A poor OBC has an advantage in St Johns Medical Bangalore but when it comes to AIIMS he is discriminated against in favour of the rich (creamy layer) OBC.  

Of course, no one wants to deal with these basic questions.

…Committee, in its final report, has suggested a review of quota policy after five or ten years,

Why not review it now, and then every five years ? OBC quotas are not recent, in many states they are approaching 100 years (86 in TN, 94 in Mysore) !! Has no community progressed to be pulled out of the list ?

The absolute reluctance to perform any kind of pulse-check on the OBC group is startling. Is this a national secret ? Why cant we have socio-economic data on individual OBC components ?

Signs of things to come :

The committee, he said, has however made a “strong paragraph”, meaning recommendation, to provide scholarships to OBC children from Standard IX onward.

This may look innocuous, but will throw up spectacular anomalies. Everyone knows that many OBCs are not merely well-to-do communities, they are the wealthiest and the most powerful in their respective areas.  For example: By virtue of their land ownership, Gowdas are becoming instant crorepatis in the Bangalore suburbs. Gounders dominate industry in Tirupur and are easily several times wealthier than the forward caste. Christians (all of whom are backward in TN) dominate educational institutions, several of them form elite social groups. All muslims in KA are backward even though their real estate strength is known to all.  All muslims in KL are backward even though they dominate the gulf employment profile. The list goes on and on.

The line is that mere economic wealth does not make a community forward, but some other intangible social factors are involved. If we accept this line, then on what basis can OBCs be considered for financial help ? Scholarships, if any should be available to all children – even the poor brahmins kid.

The courts must step in and prevent the OBC quota system from descending into outright patronage and reverse discrimination.

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  1. Barbarindian said, on September 28, 2006 at 6:07 pm

    What happened to your template? Your blog is all unformatted now.

  2. Shri said, on September 29, 2006 at 11:47 am

    Even if the judiciary does step in, these politicians will find a way to go against that in some way or the other. It seems a hopeless case now

  3. realitycheck said, on September 29, 2006 at 4:04 pm


    I mentioned in one of my previous posts. The fork in the road is here for India. If these OBC caste lists are accepted without questioning or data to back up their backwardness – there is no going back.

    For starters, SCs will demand more – because the quota system was originally designed for them. They are still backward as witnessed by unfilled seats in IITs/IIMs. They are still attacked by the landowners and continue to be marginal or contract farmers.

    The Muslims and Christians will demand that SC benefits be extended to their converts. It would be impossible to deny them this benefit. Their demand is reasonable compared to quota for rich and privileged OBCs.

    The SC quota would have to be increased atleast by 10% if Christian and Muslim SCs are extended SC benefits due to the addition of new population under the quota. To increase this by 10% the ceiling has to go up to 59% because the OBCs wont accept a cut in their quota.

    If the creamy layer is included for AIIMS/IITs – on what basis can it be applied to state colleges (eg, Bangalore, Kerala, AP, Mah, Bih, UP). All the states would now demand that the creamy layer provisions be done away with. In effect, demanding the annuling of the Indira Sawhney II judgement.

    The simple way to arrest this slide, is to demand data on OBCs. The richest communities in each state can not and should not be part of the OBC list.

    As far as I can see, the only option is to demand the setting up of a Third Backward Classes commission – and staying all new quotas until the third backward classes commission submits its report. No politician should be part of this commission – so that he does not lobby for his caste.

  4. Barbarindian said, on October 2, 2006 at 3:27 am

    Heh, even the supposed review is not very likely:

  5. realitycheck said, on October 3, 2006 at 1:04 pm


    Moily would be crucified on the review issue by the powerful OBCs.

    Everyone knows that a review, even one performed by 10th grade students will indicate how dominant the OBCs actually are in all walks of life.

    A major showdown is in the offing between the rich and privileged OBC politicians and the judiciary. It is very very difficult to accord legal sanction to a policy of discrimination while maintaining a facade of a modern society.

    We all know data is the key to this riddle, yet it is a national secret that cannot be exposed.

  6. realitycheck said, on October 3, 2006 at 1:06 pm

    A side note: I talked with a comp expert about some comments getting into spam in WordPress. Apparently, if a comment has a long URL and very little text it has a high chance of getting into spam.

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