Reality Check India

14 Gurjars dead for want of data

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on May 29, 2007

Today, 14 people including 13 Gurjars and 1 policeman died in police firing on an unruly mob of over 50,000 in Dausa district of Rajasthan. The reason behind the protests is this : Gurjars want to move from the OBC group to the ST group.

Lets scratch the surface,

The Gurjar community is up in arms once again and has called for roadblocks across Dausa, Tonk, Karauli, Jaipur and Ajmer demanding that their OBC status be changed to ST status. Gurjars have been demanding a change in status to avoid competing with Jats, who have been drawn into the OBC fold.

Source : Times Now

The problem is two fold,

1. Did the inclusion of Jats (and others)  in the OBC fold adversely affect the Gurjars ?

2. Were the Gurjars spatially and culturally isolated from the rest of India ? This is a must for ST status.

You will notice that I have deliberately ignored the most obvious question, “Are the Gurjars and Jats socially and educationally backward based on a contemporary measurement ?” I have concluded that this question, which should be most fundamental is now a polemic. Just asking this question is so inflammatory that is borders on slander. Anyway, that is an old story now for readers of this blog.

The sad truth is that in the absence of data this is the way to get social justice. The Gurjars simply have no other option. There is precedent in the south.

This caste violence may be new to the north, but we have see it all in TN. If you are shocked by the death of 13 Gurjars, I have a story to tell you.

In 1987, 23 young men had to lay down their lives in police firing demanding the 20% quota for Vanniers in Cudallore district.  TN also saw more than its share of  similar protests by the Vanniers like blocking highways and trains. The Gurjar protest is almost like a replay. This eventually culminated in a victory for PMK and its founder Dr Ramadoss, who spearheaded the campaign. The TN style victory may not be possible in other states, because the then DMK government was able to mollify the agitating Vanniers by taking a bite from the general category. [ EDIT : The above statement is not correct – In 1990, the BC quota was already at 50% and total quota at 69%. The Vannier agitation took a chunk out of the BC quota of 50%.  The SC/ST/Open Category was not affected. It is to be noted that both Ramdoss and Karunanidhis castes were classified as MBCs] Thanks to Dr Bruno for pointing this out (see comments)

Consider this :

What if the Gurjars demands are actually just ? What if data had been collected and it showed that they were indeed pushed out by inclusion of other powerful communities in the OBC list ?

Worse still, what if there exists hundreds of other smaller communities who do not have the numbers to stage a protest of this scale ? Is it their fate to sell pots and clay statues beside highways and to live like nomads in tents ?

We are waiting for you, Honble Supreme Court. You must tell us unambiguously what the group “OBC” means.  Where are the checks ?

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  1. PRASANNA said, on May 29, 2007 at 6:25 pm

    Hi RC

    Profound thoughts

  2. […] Reality Check asks, What if the Gurjars demands are actually just ? What if data had been collected and it showed that they were indeed pushed out by inclusion of other powerful communities in the OBC list ? […]

  3. Vinod Khare said, on May 30, 2007 at 3:55 am

    Sounds to me rather like dogs fighting over a meager piece of meat. I mean, if you give anyone any quota, just of unjust, it is going to bite away from some one else’ quota, justly or unjustly. And then that other caste/tribe is going to go up in arms. The whole situation is just ridiculous. We should have no quota at all — none for anybody.

    The whole reservation funda is just an inversion of Brahminical tyranny and as a society we are just not being able to get over it or look beyond it.

  4. Revathi said, on May 30, 2007 at 7:32 am

    Dear Vinod,

    The society was ready to get over it and would have done so if our politicians had not interfered in the most destructive manner. The brahmins were kept in check (by invoking the brahminical tyranny repeatedly), the other castes had power from their numbers and the SCs and STs were taken care of by quota system. There is no use asking any help from the supreme court if agitations and violence is going to decide the outcome.

  5. Observer said, on May 30, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    If the powerful Meenas, who have the ST quota to themselves, carry good on their to react if Gujjars move from OBC to ST, it would be the precursor to a mini civil war in Rajasthan. As the quota venom spreads from TN to other prts of India, it will have very destructive consequences for the rest of India. God help us all.

  6. BL Sharma said, on May 30, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    The responsible for firing at Gurjars (Addl. SP (Mr. Meena) should be handed over to Gurjars to give him a meaningful justice.

  7. sri said, on May 30, 2007 at 8:01 pm

    Realitycheck,
    You forgot the main question.

    How come BJP fighting local state assembly elections promise gujjars to include them in ST group, when such a decision is not in its hands?

    It is something for parliament to decide. right?
    How on earth did BJP promise?
    Before promising did BJP qualify its promise with IF’s and ELSE’s?
    If it did not, then BJP should be taken to court and challenged.
    –sri

  8. […] Otherwise, more Rajasthans will be repeatedand more lives will be lost. […]

  9. Barbarindian said, on May 30, 2007 at 11:40 pm

    Ho ho ho ho, not so fast. Apparently BJP had promised a status change for the Gujjars but Raje denies this. The Gujjars who were interviewed seemed pretty well educated. You can not pull this off unless and until higher up people – community leaders and other political parties have a hand in it.

    Now, as we all know, ST status is only granted in the parliament and only when certain criteria are met. In other owrds you can not generally promise someone this. Assume for a moment that Raje had indeed promised this. But, don’t you think it is the responsibility of the central Government to make a statement now? Why is the center silent?

    I think it is nothing but another political entity trying to create cult. Only cults can act so ruthlessly – first the Dera and now this.

  10. Observer said, on May 31, 2007 at 2:29 am

    The above is related to the general Indian mentality of resorting to shortcuts most of the times. For example, one can see people driving on the wrong side of divided highways simply because they do not want to go for a couple of kilometers and then turn around at an intersection. Pedestrians similarly cross main roads also to take a shortcut to the other side, by pulling apart any barricades erected in between, slowing down traffic which must watch for them. Cars, autos, bikes take shortcuts through every intersection or gap between vehicles, choking roads and slowing down traffic for everyone.

    People jump queues whenever they get a chance, want free power, loan waivers, free TVs, free rice, free dhotis, free kerosene, etc, introducing distortions in the budget leading to underinvestment in infrastructure and deterioration of the means of producing them. Now they vote for their caste representatives to get them education seats, jobs, grants etc without working for it, in the process destroying the very basis of why some institutions became good in the first place.

    Ultimately, no one will want to excel, or invest in anything because the caste-based hordes will simply vote themselves a shortcut into owning a piece. “Social Justice” will be achieved, leading to equality of poverty for all! When the majority of Indians themselves are like this, we really cannot blame our politicians for carrying out their wishes. But in the end, the price will be paid by all Indians, leading to a demand for a separate state, which is free from this pervasive quota-raj mentality.

  11. Barbarindian said, on May 31, 2007 at 3:48 am

    The logic of social justice dictates that things are not going well because there isn’t enough social justice. You can not beat this.

    They will not spontaneously demand a separate state, one needs a target to shakedown. The parasite does not kill its host. Separate state will get created when things spin out of control – think partition, only about a thousand times worse.

  12. […] Reality Check […]

  13. Bruno said, on June 10, 2007 at 5:42 pm

    //the then DMK government was able to mollify the agitating Vanniers by taking a bite from the general category.//

    WRONG…

    The BC Quota of 50 percent was split into BC and MBC….

    BC for some 150 castes and MBC for some 100 castes…..

    The General Category , SC, ST was not affected..

    Please correct the facts

  14. Bruno said, on June 10, 2007 at 5:44 pm

    //The TN style victory may not be possible in other states, //

    May be,…. but not for the reason you have told…..
    The BC Quota of 50 percent was split into BC and MBC….
    BC for some 150 castes and MBC for some 100 castes…..
    The General Category , SC, ST was not affected..
    Please correct the facts
    And there are a lot of other facts in Tamil Nadu, which is unique ….

    The claim by Vanniars and the claim by Gujjars are very different…

    Please note this

  15. realitycheck said, on June 11, 2007 at 7:56 am

    Bruno,

    >>WRONG…

    The BC Quota of 50 percent was split into BC and MBC….

    BC for some 150 castes and MBC for some 100 castes…..>>

    Yes, you are right. I have blogged about it extensively myself at
    https://realitycheck.wordpress.com/?s=MGR

    The 69% was in effect from 1981 – MGRs efforts.

  16. […] Otherwise, what happened in Rajasthan will be repeated elsewhere and more lives will be lost. […]

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