Reality Check India

OBC Quotas and cut offs

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on August 22, 2007

Recently, Nitin wrote a post about the effects of caste based quotas on excellence.

Why would a marginal student aspire to be in the top 5% of the class if reservations guaranteed that person a place in an engineering college as long as he made the ‘cut-off’ for his community? And why would the marginal student in the engineering college attempt to score top grades, when quotas guarantee a government job? And why would the marginal government employee strive for excellence if promotions can be had with far less effort, as long as there is a quota?

Predictably, this drew counter responses arguing that Tamilnadu has no such problems due to the low difference in cut offs. Dr Bruno quoted the medical cut offs (General – 97.75%, BC – 97 %, MBC – 95.5%, SC – 94 %, ST – 90 %).

This leads to the question : What has this got to do with the OBC quota policy ?

This blog has covered the merit argument in so many posts ( Moily on Karnataka where the difference in cut-offs between OBC/Open is 0.2 – 0.3% , Quota for undeserving (just 4% cutoff difference between SC/Open at AIIMS, UGC Chief Thorat (the “affects merit” argument) , Impacts merit (will excluding bald men impact merit)

To summarize all the above posts.

Data such as low difference in cut offs are going to work against votaries of reservation to the current set of castes in the OBC list. The low differences in cut offs combined with the fact that a significant number of open seats are taken by students from castes that are currently in the OBC list – will invite scrutiny of the classficiation itself.

In the absence of caste wise admissions data, it can be safely assumed that castes that compete effectively in the open competition will dominate the OBC quota even more. This works directly to the detriment of castes in the OBC list that are not able to compete in the open competition.

This is a constitutional double red-signal :

1 ) Castes classified as OBC that do compete effectively in the open : The constitutionally guarantee of the right to equality of forward castes are destroyed.

2) Castes classified as OBC that are unable to compete effectively in the open : The constitutional right to social justice meant for the educationally backward are destroyed.

Of all the arguments, the impacts merit argument :

1. Cannot be used by anti-reservationists (because nothing impacts merit, see “excluding all bald men will not impact merit“)

2. Cannot be used by pro-reservationists (because if cut offs are very close, this calls into question the composition of the OBC group itself)

The question in front of us is a constitutional one, that of equality of the citizens of this country. Simply put, we are asking how strong must be the justification in the form of current data in order to deprive or abridge even a single citizen of this constitutionally guaranteed right.


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  1. Jai_Choorakkot said, on August 22, 2007 at 8:49 am

    “… The low differences in cut offs combined with the fact that a significant number of open seats are taken by students from castes that are currently in the OBC list – will invite scrutiny of the classficiation itself. …”

    Almost exactly what I was thinking. With 378/430 seats going to the ‘oppressed’ classes in open competition (87.9% !!!) was Dr.Bruno arguing for or against the continuation of reservations?

    One factor does need to be taken into account, how many candidates of each category appeared for this exam. If the BC+MBC outnumber FC by say 10:1, then the results are natural and indicate equality of ability.


  2. Preethi said, on August 24, 2007 at 6:23 pm

    The reason TamilNadu OBCs compete with FC so well in the open quota is that they are well off and can afford all the “coaching” for an entrance exam. Also the parents themselves are well educated . So the environment for achieving academic excellence is also in place.

    Infact if you take just the Gounders of TN (mostly around the Coimbatore-Pollachi-Tiruppur area), they are anything but backward. They adopted family planning early and you would be hardpressed to find a big Gounder family even from the 70’s generation. They are also landowners – the ‘vellala” in “Vellala” gounders means that they are landowners and do agriculture. There are many who have lands in the villages sorrounding Coimbatore -Pollachi – Tiruppur, but live and work in the city.

    If only these ppl were declared creamy layer…

  3. Ramanan said, on August 31, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    Latest survey says OBCs econonomically better off than general category in some states, while being extremely close to general category in others.

  4. S.PRASSANNA said, on May 19, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    My cut of mark in HSC 2008 (178.5) Could u please confirm whether i can get govt engg college / govt quota for other govt aided collges in tamilnadu under MBC quota or not.

  5. tamilinfogoogle said, on June 13, 2008 at 6:28 am

    இந்தி சாதிகளுக்கு இடஒதுக்கீடு தரும் ‘தமிழ்’நாடு

    தற்போதைய தமிழக அரசின் இடஒதுக்கீடு கொள்கை தமிழ் என்கிற அடிப்படையில் அல்லாம வெறும் ஜாதி என்கிற அடிப்படையில் உள்ளது.

    நீங்கள் பிற்பட்டோர் பட்டியலை பார்த்தால் தமிழ் தவிற்று பிறமொழிகள் பேசும் ஜாதிகள் உள்ளன.

    இதில் இந்தி பேசும் முஸ்லிம்கள், ஸவுராஷ்டிரியர்கள்; தெலுங்கு பேசும் ரெட்டியார்கள்,நாயுடுகள், கன்னடம் பேசும் கவுண்டர்கள் ஆகியோர்க்கெல்லாம் இடஒதுக்கீடு வழங்கப்படுகிறது.

    தமிழ் பிராமிணர்களை அயோக்கியர்கள் என கருதும் தி மு க இந்தி பேசும் வடக்கர்கள் வாக்குகளை பெற இந்தி மொழி தேர்தல் பிரசுரங்களை வெளியிட்டது.

    தமிழகத்தில் தமிழ் பிராமணர்கள் தமிழர்கள் அல்ல என பிரச்சாரம் செய்கின்றன ப ம க, தி மு க ஆகியோர்.

    கர்ணாநிதிக்கு தமிழ் பிராமணர்கள் வெறுப்பு இந்தி மொழிக்கு மேலானது போலுள்ளது.

    எனது வகுப்பில் இந்தி பேசும் மாணாக்கர் விலைக்கொடுத்து OBC சான்றிதழ் வாங்கி அண்ணா பல்கலைக்கழகம் சேர்ந்தார். இந்தி/உருது மட்டும் பேசும் முஸ்லிம் தமிழகத்தில் ஜாதிகள் இடஒதுக்கீடு பெறுகின்றனர்.

    சென்னை விமானகத்தில் தமிழ் ஊழியர்கள் அவ்வளவு இல்லை. எல்லாமே இந்தி பேசுபவர்கள் தான்.

    தமிழக CBSE பள்ளிகள் இந்தி திணிப்பு தான்.

    இந்தி, கன்னடம், தெலுங்கு பேசும் ஜாதிகள் வருக; தமிழ் பிரமாணர் ஒழிக என கொள்கை வைத்துள்ளது தற்போதைய இடஒதுக்கீடு சட்டம்.

    கர்நாடகத்தில் கன்னடத்திற்கு பிரதானம் அளிக்கப்படுகிறது. கன்னட பிராமணர் கன்னடர் ஆவார். தமிழகத்தில் தமிழ் பிராமணர் வெளியாள் எனவு இந்தி, உருது, கன்னடம், தெலுங்கு ஜாதிகள் தமிழர்கள் என்கிற பெயரில் இடஒதுக்கீடு வாங்குகின்றனர்.

    தமிழக தமிழர்களுக்கா வெறும் ஜாதி கணக்கில் உகுந்தவருக்கா?

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