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Undercooked analysis or hidden agenda

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on November 28, 2008

We are supposed to be in the “zone”, we are not supposed to talk about certain things until a certain time has elapsed. This is the time for candle light we are told. Guess what, the world does not have such a zone. No one is waiting for the magic period to pass before spewing out their analysis.

We now have western analysts who are going out of their way to debunk the possibility of outside jihadis being involved. This even before the last shots have been fired.

Christine Fair of the RAND corporation has this to say to New York Times.

Christine Fair, senior political scientist and a South Asia expert at the RAND Corporation, was careful to say that the identity of the terrorists could not yet be known. But she pointed to India’s domestic problems, and long tensions between Hindus, who make up about 80 percent of India’s population of 1.13 billion, and Muslims, who make up 13.4 percent.

“There are a lot of very, very angry Muslims in India,” Ms. Fair said. “The economic disparities are startling and India has been very slow to publicly embrace its rising Muslim problem. You cannot put lipstick on this pig. This is a major domestic political challenge for India.

“The public political face of India says, ‘Our Muslims have not been radicalized,’ she said. “But the Indian intelligence apparatus knows that’s not true. India’s Muslim communities are being sucked into the global landscape of Islamist jihad.”

“Indians will have a strong incentive to link this to Al Qaeda,” she said. “But this is a domestic issue. This is not India’s 9/11.”

Source : NYT

Some more,

The International Herald Tribune (IHT) said in an article on Thursday quoting Christine Fair, senior political scientist and a South Asia expert at the RAND Corporation: “The style of the attacks and the targets in Mumbai suggested that the militants were likely to be Indian Muslims – and not linked to Al Qaeda or the violent South Asian terrorist group Lashkar-e-Taiba.”

Fair told IHT: “There’s absolutely nothing Al Qaeda-like about it.”

“Did you see any suicide bombers? And there are no fingerprints of Lashkar. They don’t do hostage taking, and they don’t do grenades,” she added.

Source : Experts, Western media blame Indian mujahideen

Someone should tell Ms Fair that Lashkar has used grenades and taken hostages. It is just that she is ignorant. Has she not read about the recent hostage situation in Jammu ? In fact, Lashkar is an expert in hostage taking and getting themselves holed up in important places.  Besides terrorism is not like medical science. You cant lay your argument on lines like : Ok, he is a dentist – he doesnt  do heart surgery.

Look at what  Maria Misra says in  The Times,

But unlike 9/11 there is evidence of an entirely domestic element at play. In recent months there has been a spate of bombings in Indian cities. Responsibility has been claimed by the Indian Mujahadin – one of several fronts for the Students Islamic Movement of India (Simi). It is through Simi, Indian officials fear, that international terrorist networks have begun to penetrate more deeply into India – often through links with the Gulf.


But despite the multi-religious and multi-ethnic origins of terrorist violence the Indian authorities have, until recently, tended to treat only Muslims as terrorists. So while Muslim “terrorists” have been subject to extraordinary laws of detention and trial in special courts, Hindu nationalist “rioters” have been tried in regular courts, or, more usually, not been punished at all.

One of the principal complaints of Indian Muslim groups is the failure to bring to trial any of the Hindu ringleaders responsible for pogroms in Bombay in 1993 and Gujarat in 2002 in which more than 4,000 Muslims died.

While the Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, and international jihadist groups have undoubtedly trained and funded Indian Muslim terrorists, the chief recruiting officer is often the Indian State.

This is especially true at regional and state level where the police and judiciary are often “captured” by Hindu political interests that have used anti-terrorist laws to pursue political vendettas. The extreme poverty of many Muslims in India, whose status, according to a recent report, was below that of the “Untouchable” caste of Hindus, has increased frustration.

While “Untouchable” and other low-caste groups are actively promoted into universities and prestigious state jobs, India’s 150 million Muslims, who make up 13 per cent of the population, hold only 3 per cent of state posts. They are even less well represented in the police.

Source : Times ( India cannot pin all the blame on outsiders )

Note how circular her article is. The article starts off by comparing the attack to al-Queda, then quickly descends into a social-justice-anti-hindu-consolidation rant. Clearly the world is not holding back waiting for a time period to elapse. Why must Indian bloggers and opinion makers ?

Fareed Zakaria adds,

One of the untold stories of India is that the Muslim population has not shared in the boom the country has enjoyed over the last ten years. There is still a lot of institutional discrimination, and many remain persecuted. There’s enough alienation out there that there are locals who can be drawn in to plots.

Source : Newsweek

Hey, everyone is discriminated. So, do you agree everything is linked to social justice ?

India should do well to understand the western thought pattern. They are rattled because this might impact their own operations in Pakistan’s frontier areas.

No one denies the ability of the local jihadi cells, but this is beyond their ability right now. From what we hear, the mobile phones carry foreign SIM cards, the language used is a foreign accent, they even arrested a T who hailed from a foreign country.  I might add two more things, local terrorists especially from the deccan areas do not have the fair-skinned arabic look. Contrast with the accused in the Coimbatore blasts case. To top it, locals have a bone to pick with locals esp Narendra Modi – it is out of their range to base their operations on taking westerners hostage.

What is happening is like toothpaste. The US and Pakistan are squeezing them from one end, unfortunately for India the paste is coming from on its end. India is already a victim because the jihadi hordes need and will seek employment in the Indian theatre. India must debunk this opinion building exercise at the outset. We beg the  set of human beings in parliament to spend some energy (yes, yes, we know it is useless from their point of view) and confront these premature opinions.


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  1. Anon said, on November 28, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Questions to be answered

    1. What is the status of malegon blast investigation

    2. Why is that the key officials who were behind the TERRORISTS in Malegon blast mysteriously killed at Mumbai

    3. Who will benefit if the ATS Chief is killed

  2. Raj said, on November 28, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    I don’t understand how these guys could talk about inclusive growth when the recent statistics show that the median net worth of blacks is about 1/10th of that of the whites in US, and the median income is 62% of whites. May be this inequality warrants killing of the whites by blacks and hispanics, as they’ve been marginalized.

  3. reason said, on November 29, 2008 at 4:27 am

    try and complete this sequence –
    Well meaning Indian to well meaning Pakistani: Sir, our PM has spoken of pakistani involvement. we think the Lashkar is involved. what will the Pakistani government do?
    Well meaning Pakistani: Friend, I understand your anger. What you went through is condemnable. No human being can do what those animals did to you in Mumbai. We have a common enemy to defeat here.
    Well meaning Indian: but sir, our PM says this operation was done by Pakistanis who landed at Mumbai that evening.. we have called over your ISI chief
    Well meaning Pakistani: But friend, you dont understand. You blamed us on the samjhauta blast also. But later your brave police officer found your own mmilitary intelligence was responsible for that. And that brave officer lost his life now. Let us fight that enemy.

    Well meaning Indian (RC):

    I saw your other post about voting. What really pisses me off is these pretenders. The way the malegaon blast probe ran amok – things like that do not need 100% voter turnout in Mumbai or Bangalore. That attempt to create ‘hindu terror’ to balance ‘jihadi terror’ for secular votes – Anyone from the State home minister to union Home or defence minister to the NSA to the PM could have nipped the temptation in the bud. not doing so is treason. Much before that crap about your Lt.Col.’s involvement in samjhauta was shat in open court.

    Why do you get upset at what the international ‘analysts’ say or what pakistan says? do you have indian interest in india? there are all kinds of interests. If the hospitality industry suffers badly in Mumbai because of this and those properties are forced to sell cheap, it is not like pakistan has the money to buy.

  4. rc said, on November 29, 2008 at 5:08 am

    The media is the culprit in a variety of these cases.

    They constantly egged on the ATS, ironically the chief sent an SMS to Mr Sardesai on the morning he was killed. He claimed political interference. Did he not see the media interference ?

    You hit the nail on the head about the Samjhautha blasts premature. Without completing the investigation, they targeted our own army with wild allegations about 60KG of RDX story.

    What is more distrubing today is the media’s coverage of Unnikrishnans funeral. They are showing the faces of the family members who are weeping. In fact zooming in one some of them.

    Where are the security guidelines for these assholes ? This is basic stuff in the west. Never, ever expose the family of commandos.

    The time has come for these media jerkoffs to be checked.

  5. Barbarindian said, on November 29, 2008 at 5:34 am

    >> ironically the chief sent an SMS to Mr Sardesai on the morning he was killed.

    Glad you noticed that as well, was going to write a post on that. Very disturbing to say the least.

  6. realitycheck said, on November 29, 2008 at 6:24 am

    >. Glad you noticed that as well, was going to write a post on that. Very disturbing to say the least.

    It was surreal, he was really waving his mobile at the camera as if it was a smoking gun. Mr Seshadri Chari, who has no business being a spokesperson, could not latch on to it.

    The first question that pops up is.

    Did Mr Sardesai also send the chief investigator SMSs ? Kind of hard to believe it was a one-way street. Were his SMSs about the weather ? Again hard to believe, because no one in India talks about the weather.

  7. reason said, on November 29, 2008 at 6:25 am

    to those idiot bloggers hailing the indian state or calling for voter turnout or mumbai’s resilience – i challenge them to find one, repeat *one* reason why Major Unnikrishnan, only son to his father, should have given up his life.

    f*ck them all.

  8. rc said, on November 29, 2008 at 6:29 am

    >> was going to write a post on that. >>

    Please dont hold back 🙂

  9. reason said, on November 29, 2008 at 6:32 am

    “You hit the nail on the head about the Samjhautha blasts premature. ”

    well, you did not complete that sequence. I challenge the idiot bloggers, including the ones who wanted 100% voter turnout, to complete this sequence.

  10. reason said, on November 29, 2008 at 6:35 am

    barb and rc, do you know which of those encounter sites that night – Taj or Oberoi or Cama hospital or VT – was the ATS chief involved?

    rc, can you please send me a mail?

  11. rc said, on November 29, 2008 at 6:47 am

    >> do you know which of those encounter sites that night – Taj or Oberoi or Cama hospital or VT – was the ATS chief involved?


    I sent you a mail.

  12. Barbarindian said, on November 29, 2008 at 6:52 am


    After dispersing an attack at the Cama, the ATS chief, Mumbai asst commissioner of police and another well known encounter specialist died in a police Toyota Qualis vehicle while navigating a curve en route to the metro cinema. They did not have a chance – the standard issue cop chest guards did not work against advanced level automatic ammunition (conflicting reports on whether they used the AK series or Hechtor and Koch automatic MP5 weapons).

    After throwing the bodies of the three officers on the wayside, the perps commandeered the vehicle and opened fire on unsuspecting bystanders. The TV footage was disgusting, people were ducking for cover, a man was holding up his bloodied hand in shocked disbelief why would a police vehicle open fire at him. Another man had the presence of mind to force the shocked man to duck.

    This vehicle was pursued and the two occupants eventually gunned down.

  13. rc said, on November 29, 2008 at 7:06 am

    Wow ! I did not know this despite watching TV non stop.

    This goes to show :

    You can never prevent these attacks, you can only raise the costs involved. Knowing the Qualis well, unless it was modified, I do not think this was armored.We need to immediately divert 20,000 crores from the Congress pet rival social projects into modernizing the force. Which elected human being today is willing to take on this much extra work ?

    A country where two bit banks have armored trucks, yet the ATS moves around in this tourist van !

  14. Barbarindian said, on November 29, 2008 at 7:44 am

    The ATS is primarily an investigating agency. This OP was straight from a Tom Clancy novel. Simply wasn’t a job for ATS or normal police, para military or even military.

    The operatives strained the capabilities of even our NSG and marine commandos. I find it completely baffling. Even the Americans had sent their commandos for training before the Iraq surge (although at the time they were getting any training or ops procedure they could lay their hands on at any part of the world). Perhaps the NSG lacked urban guerrilla warfare training. Leadership was a definite issue.

  15. Barbarindian said, on November 29, 2008 at 8:02 am

    I doubt if the police procedures have any documentation or protocol as regards armoring vehicles. Reports are coming in that the multitude of cops at CST station (erstwhile VT station) did not fire a single shot.

    The Tatas are getting the Taj hotel national heritage status so the repair bill will be a tiny footnote on your tax bill. Oh, you will also pay for the Discovery model of Landrover that Tatas acquired and no one other than the indian armed and police forces will buy in the impending economic depression.

  16. rc said, on November 29, 2008 at 8:17 am

    Sad state of affairs indeed.

    This however, is not the worst hit the police has taken. The media never focused on something far worse that happened recently in the heart of the country.

    In July this year, an entire unit of about 38-40 commandos of the elite Grayhound anti-naxal force was wiped out in Orissa. No CNN-IBN, no NDTV, no nothing.

    Till date, no one has taken YSR (Congress party) to task for his thanks giving gesture to the Naxalites which allowed them to regroup.

  17. Barbarindian said, on November 29, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Yes, read about that. Indian media does suffer from the equivalent of pretty little white girl syndrome (black kidnapped kids receive almost no media coverage). While the Arushi case was going on, tens of thousands of under 12 girls from various impoverished states were made to grow up in a hurry.

    Also, they did use an armored vehicle which was no match for the huge landmine. The vehicle was lifted off the ground up to a height of 2 stories and all 17 were killed. The incident you are referring to I believe was the one in which a boat capsized.

    Similar disparities abound – 2 – 3 dozen casualties in Orissa created ripples while 100+ victims and many thousands displaced in Bodoland (Assam) did not find headlines.

    The point is, your life’s worth is a function of your citizenship, religion, language and your (likely) voting preference.

    The point also is, being liberal is like fashion for the likes of Barkha Datt, Sagarika Ghose etc. They simply do not care about what life is really like.

  18. B Shantanu said, on November 29, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Great post RC…Also got yr email..will respond soon.

  19. Jai_choorakkot said, on December 1, 2008 at 4:22 am

    Hi RC,

    I caught that Ms.Fair reference too, and was zapped nobody bothered to even react to it. I dont think this expert has issued any kind of retraction or clarification yet.

    So by this logic:

    Say M.s are angry at real/ perceived injustice and discrimination somewhere (say Vanuatu). Obviously what they do is:

    – pick up AK47s, HKMP5s and bucketfuls of grenades ( these go cheap in discount yard sales in Vanuatu)

    – with the skill to use these( Sunday school curriculum in Vanuatu)

    – the ability to use every advantage of topography/location/situation (no need for training, Vanuatu Ms have these inborn)

    – though they are locals, take a boat and go around Vanuatu (traffic is terrible on the roads)

    – find and kill the nearest available US,UK and Israeli citizens (but of course, who else could be responsible for the real or imagined problems of Vanuatu Ms).

    How about those other guys, al-Somebody, that seem to be doing exactly the same stuff, for years together?

    Oh, I dispute that.


  20. AG said, on December 11, 2008 at 1:53 pm

    Christine Fair is a dhimmi.
    She also recommends that the ‘West’ not support Russia’s action against islamic terrorists since it would strengthen russia, even though russia is a legitimate victim of islamism.


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