Reality Check India

Dear Mr Muthalik

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on February 11, 2009

Dear Mr Muthalik,

In a weeks time, you will receive receive thousands of pink underwear from enraged youth, mostly women. This is because of your opposition to Valentines Day. Personally, I do not think Valentines Day is something worth fighting against, at least not now. Only about 4321 people in a country of a billion even know what it is. They live, shop and eat in locations far removed. Our humble suggestion is Sri Ram Sena must fight for evidence based accountable social justice if it wishes to protect Indian culture. The linkage between the two is of second-order, even eminent bloggers fail to get it. Maybe you can think about it.

Yet, I think you have a right to protest Valentines day as much as the girls right to protest your protest. I do not know you but my guess is you are not very media suave. Correct me if I am wrong. You are about to be steamrollered by the English media by the panties campaign. I just want to help you out a bit, so we can avoid a completely one sided contest. What fun are one sided contests ?

On the face of it, the battle seems to be lost even before it has begun. How can you possibly counter a Gandhian campaign in the age of Munnabhai ? Do not lose hope. It is possible.

Just collect all the underwear you receive and distribute them to the poor women your neighbourhood. This will bring the stupidity of this campaign within the gravitational pull of reality.

AFP/ Getty via BBC website

Credit : AFP/ Getty via BBC website

This will be a win-win for both you and the outraged ladies who sent you the underwear.

Win for you : The poor women will thank you for it. You will also have the last laugh.

Win for westernized urban youth : The satisfaction of having purchased new underwear for a useful cause.

In parting, a message to the enraged urban girls behind this campaign. I totally understand your concern. Mass groping during Holi is obviously much more despicable than Valentines day. Yet, you have to swallow this lack of logic and put up with Muthalik and friends’ opposition to cards and roses. Just enjoy Valentines day without the loudness and pomp you might have found in the United States or Europe. After all, everyone has some price to pay for living in a socialist country. Consider the price others are paying : The hopelessly backward asphalt road paver is being denied social justice due to the lack of data. The dirt poor cook who works in grimy kitchens is being denied equality due to lack of data. Tribals turn Naxals in this land. We are talking hundreds of millions of these souls.

People here have had it so bad from socialism that we are afraid to even measure how bad it is.

You are just being asked to keep the volume down in your V-Day party. Is this a fair price for living in a socialist paradise ?

I say – We have a deal.

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  1. Suketu Talekar said, on February 11, 2009 at 11:32 am

    FINALLY!!! .. Just about when I was beginning to think that I was the only one to think of the whole ‘Pink Chaddi’ campaign as incredibly juvenile … Thank you! And yes .. very well written!


    P.S. : At the risk of nit-picking .. is stupidness right usage or is it stupidity

  2. rc said, on February 11, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Of course , stupidness is not a word. That is not the only error I might add. I will clean up the text tonight when I get some time.

  3. B Shantanu said, on February 11, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    RC: Great post!! I will put a link across on my weekend reading list…thanks.

  4. Gaurav said, on February 11, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Dude! You are going Friedman way

  5. Gargi Dixit said, on February 11, 2009 at 4:28 pm

    I sincerely do not care for the women living in neighborhood of Muthalik, irrespective of that, I consider the pink panty trial as a foolish step.

    Better they exhort about Darwin’s day which is much more Important than any other day in February.

  6. realitycheck said, on February 11, 2009 at 4:50 pm



    Truth is most issues in India today do not need a philosopher to understand. They are all within two degrees of the core anomaly. You could always come up with a more complex explanation of events, but the simpler one is still on the table.

  7. Sharan Sharma said, on February 12, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Nice one, RC.

    > You are about to be steamrollered by the English media by the panties campaign.

    Curious to know what the regional language press (and not owned by groups like BCCL) says about all this.

    This is like one big circus. One day the front page is about terrorist attacks, next day about slumdog millionare, third day about pink underwears,…it’s really funny in more ways than one.

    Anyway, Mutalik may also want to do strike a deal with pink underwear manufacturers: buy low from them and sell high to the self-described “loose and forward women”. And then does the donation thing described here. Double win!

    i am also not clear about a few things:
    1) The pink-chaddi group is also doing the pub-bharo campaign and in the press release they say:
    “Go to a pub wherever you are. From Kabul to Chennai to Guwahati to Singapore to LA, women have signed up. ”
    Kabul? Wow!

    2) The group is called “Consortium of Pubgoing, Loose and forward Women”. Women. And the contact/spokepersons are Benson, Samir and Nitin. Uh?
    (Oh wait, i also saw a Nisha)

  8. […] Realty Check has some suggestions for Mr Muthalik in tackling the PCC guys but leaving that aside he points to the part of the problem. He does tie everything to the social justice programmes and in a way he is not off the mark. That is a broader issue that we need to address anyway. […]

  9. philramble said, on February 14, 2009 at 3:00 am

    With the fervour and enthusiasm Muthalik displayed on IBN in an interview, I would like to think that someone should divert his energy from doing lame things like beating up girls in pubs to maybe protecting women when they’re under attack by predatory men, dowry-hungry in-laws, etc.

    He keeps repeating that he has achieved his purpose. People who wouldn’t give two hoots about him are sending him pink chaddis. Naturally, all this attention is helping him further his agenda. I don’t think the conservatives are always wrong. In which society has drinking led to reduced crime? In which society have loose men and women actually been beneficial to the children they raise and the people they influence?

    What does one actually gain by sending pink chaddis to Muthalik and making funny and obscene pictures of him on the net? Maybe a couple of feminists will masturbate on their success and maybe a few derisive people will find fun in poking fun at him. But what has been done to legally prevent him from beating up women (and men) again? He has been put in jail ahead of 14th Feb, but does that guarantee that the ideas he has put out in society will not make other cornered conservatives take up his cause?

  10. KSV SUBRAMANIAN said, on February 14, 2009 at 6:38 am

    Yes, Muthalik can gift the chaddies to less privileged women around him. But he and his Sena is doing a disservice to hindus, hindu religion and society as a whole. He could have used his energy for propagation of the pub culture. He and his sena men could have resorted to peaceful protest in front of pubs. Beating up and manhandling, whether they are women or men, are against civilised behaviour.

    But at the same time it is disturbing to note the nomenclature “Pub Going, Loose and Forward” and the dictionary meanings for loose include “lacking moral restraint or integrity; notorious for his/her loose character. Sexually promiscuous or immoral; unchaste.” Are these some virtues to be given so much coverage/publicity ? Do our media,government and the society as a whole support this? Is this our new culture ? I am very sad, for people like me have no voice.

  11. alwayssaynotoracism said, on February 14, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    A missionary was once asked by a Hindu “Why do guys so hard to destroy our culture, we will never convert”

    He replied “That’s fine. He will at least be a weakened Hindu. Getting rid of Hindu-ness from him is our first step in the mission to save his soul”

    There is a bigger scheme behind all this by ‘LOOSE WOMEN’ supported by church, media and international evangelicals.

  12. rc said, on February 15, 2009 at 3:16 am

    >> alwayssaynotoracism

    I dont think the Church is scheming behind the scenes. We cant fall into the trap laid for us, which is to pit ordinary groups against each other, hindu vs christian. In the melee, we will lose sight of the immoral and corrupt political foundation under this structure.

    The biggest giveaway is the word “Chaddi”. Why not chocolates or roses to Mr Muthalik ? Cards would have been perfect.

    They are just taunting the group for not being man enough for the Khaki chaddi and wear pink womens chaddi instead. Cant miss the symbolism of the protest !

  13. rc said, on February 15, 2009 at 3:32 am

    >> But he and his Sena is doing a disservice to hindus, hindu religion and society as a whole. >>

    My heart wants to condemn Muthalik and friends.

    My brain is not sure.

    I cant pretend we are living in normal times. The core requirements of nationhood are being destroyed by our current day politicians as if there is no tomorrow.
    In this milieu, are we certain we are not going to go running for his help ?

    I need to work that into my calculations. I’d rather wait and watch. I do not think he or his group is like the Taliban or Nazis. I could change my mind if someone tells me the exact nature of the injuries sustained by the victims of the “horrific” pub attack. Until then he is no Taliban.

  14. Barbarindian said, on February 15, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    I could change my mind if someone tells me the exact nature of the injuries sustained by the victims of the “horrific” pub attack. Until then he is no Taliban.

    It would appear there is significant difference between using a blunt knife to severe the head and video taping the incidence for the world to see as opposed to slapping/pulling hair/chasing and possibly some groping. This is just the qualitative difference.

    The media insisted there was molestation. We don’t know what is the difference between a physical assault vs molestation.

    Also suspicious is the nature of the pub – is the Amnesia pub a mainstreet pub like in Bangalore, frequented by the class the pink protesters come from or is it a shady side street pub? The only one victim interviewed (audio only) by TimesNow seemed to be too eloquent and polished. No accent. The first NCW person who made her report could not meet any victims.

  15. Barbarindian said, on February 15, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Looks like they didn’t take your advice:

    They will burn the stuff publicly.

  16. Revathi said, on February 16, 2009 at 9:49 am

    “Our humble suggestion is Sri Ram Sena must fight for evidence based accountable social justice if it wishes to protect Indian culture”

    Who said that Sri Ram Sena is interested in social justice? If they really want to be fighting for justice of any sort, they have to accept that it takes all types to make a world and there is no need to look down on Valentine’s day celebtrators. One shudders to think who would be next- may be they would like to ban new year cards (after all it has nothing to do with indian culture)and issue one fatwa after the other. Your suggestin that they should distribute the underwear among poor women is sure to fall on deaf ears-i heard that these were going to be burnt! pollution not withstanding, a big waste!

  17. alwayssaynotoracism said, on February 16, 2009 at 4:34 pm


  18. alwayssaynotoracism said, on February 16, 2009 at 4:34 pm

    Please see


  19. alwayssaynotoracism said, on February 16, 2009 at 4:36 pm


    Exporting western culture and religion is part of neo colonialism agenda. If you knew all this you wouldn’t be fooled by the bigger picture.

  20. reason said, on February 17, 2009 at 9:13 am

    news is never what it appears. Before the Sri Ram sene got international head coverage, they used to prevent vehicles carrying cattle for illegal slaughter. And suddenly s*it hit the ceiling and mangalore is in international news. Who knows who is working this script.

    There is some thing interesting from TN. Modi is making repeat visits. Some important figures from tamil nadu appear to be sharing the dais with him. May be these people have now started fearing tamil nadu’s leadership role in secularism and social justice. I can not see a way that this kind of secularism and social justice can end well for anybody at all.

  21. Revathi said, on February 17, 2009 at 9:21 am

    While you cant compare the scale of action between the taliban and the ram sena, in principle they are not so different-they appoint themselves as arbitrators to tell people to do this or that. They use relegion to define culture- cannot work in the 21st century.

  22. reason said, on February 17, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    are we against all types of arbitrators, or only some? obviously the talibs are bad arbitrators, Muthalik too. But are there good arbitrators?

  23. Goldstar said, on February 18, 2009 at 6:42 am


    Interesting news; Karnataka goes more backward –

  24. rc said, on February 18, 2009 at 4:45 pm


    >> Interesting news; Karnataka goes more backward –

    I think the correct interpretation is “Karnataka’s free agent population shrunk by 15%”

    The Maratha quota is almost in place in Mumbai. We might see a few folks getting prescribed 10 ml of Reality Check IV – aint no middle class vote.

    This quota system of citizenship is such a grand anomaly that anything India attempts will fall way short of its potential. The political setup along with their media champagne buddies will welcome anti-quota opinions. They just cannot stomach anyone who supports quota-with-data. Why ? Because it takes away the god-like powers of the leadership. This, I believe is at the core of the current Indian state. All contemporary events are two degrees away from this grand anomaly of compromised equality and social justice.

    This system of quota-without-data is used to pit Indians against each other and maintain a constant sense of deprivation, mistrust, and acrimony. This is the dirty pond where our leaders fish.

    There is simply no way out – unless there is a mass movement to educate the truly backward in the ways they are being jammed. And how they will wait for ever for the social justice bus to arrive at their bus stop.

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