Reality Check India

Must read articles on the coming divisiveness

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on January 27, 2010

Article after article this republic day carried variations of this theme :

The Constitution of India is a great document – but

We have screwed it up

None of them were bold enough to take a jab at providing examples of how we strayed ! What is it about the Indian system that prevents a positive spiral from rapidly checking any straying ?

Readers of this blog will know that there exists a root anomaly. It is that compromises to the bedrock of equality to promote social justice must be allowed but only under conditions of evidence and strict scrutiny. Most interpretations of the latest Supreme Court judgment in the Thakur case agree that this is not required. In other words, equality can be snatched from citizens and not given in the form of social justice to other citizens. This can purely be at the pleasure of individuals.  Can this be salvaged ? Can we still attain greatness carrying this anomaly ?  I think maybe – maybe not.   If Indian can achieve greatness and bring prosperity to millions while tossing both equality and social justice issues – it would turn political science as we know it on its head. We would have shown the world that equality of citizens is not all that when it comes to democracy.

There are a stunning series of articles in the latest Jan 31 2010 edition of  The Organizer on the divisive bomb the UPA II government (headed by the Congress Party) is preparing to drop on us.

Start off with this.

There should only be one identity. That is Indian Let UPA not take India to the days of Lucknow Pact of 1916

By Arif Mohammed Khan

This piece by Radha Rajan is also worth reading because it contains glimpses into the core of Indian politics. Besides, Tamilnadu is always of interest in the same way that Husain Bolt is of interest when we are studying whether fast twitch muscles make you run fast.

Christians constitute 6.5 per cent of the total Tamil Nadu population while Muslims constitute 5.5 per cent. Of the total 6.5 per cent of Christians, 6.1 per cent or around 80 per cent of the total Christian population have been classified as BC. This is 1/9th of the total population. BC Christians were cornering 300 seats out of the 900 medical seats every year; that is 1/9th of the population was claiming 1/3rd of the share of seats. And that is why Christian politicians and the Christian clergy met the Tamil Nadu Chief Minister to ask him to rescind the order granting 3.5 per cent reservation for Christians.

Source : The Organizer

I dont know how true this numbers are – but that is the whole point. The public needs to know.  The fallout of this knowledge could be game changing.

It turns out that this small piece of data is not just about a dozen IIT seats (you cant just shrug and move on) :

it determines who gets elected

  • it undermines any effort to launch an issue based electoral campaign
  • it lays to waste any effort to get a diverse group of citizens together
  • it prevents an Indian identity from emerging
  • since strict scrutiny is not required, individuals and outfits acquire god like status
  • large sections of populations have to defect from their self interest to vote for large issues
  • no accountability on performance by leaders because that is not why they are elected
  • leaders are elected to proxy for or balance competing demands (remember data is not allowed)

To Twitterers and Bloggers, please read up the articles and spread awareness. The MSM guys who are lurking around the internet must be made to face facts at every turn until they change their ways or scurry back into their holes. They will try to paint you as anti muslim or anti christian or anti reservation. Stay your ground. You are pro-data. Nothing scares them more – believe me.

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  1. Pradeep said, on January 28, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Inconsistency in the numbers would only serve to undermine their credibility…80% of 6.5 is 5.2 which is 1/19 of total population

    Which, if correct, is even more stunning than their original claims!

  2. rc said, on January 28, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I think she means 1/9th of the OBC pop cornered 1/3rd of the OBC quota seats.

    The Organizer is however on morally weak ground. What about the usage profile of the other 600 seats ? Is there distorted usage there by the Hindu OBC groups ? If yes, then it is hypocritical to pin point the Christians alone.

    Again we still have not gotten beyond Justice 101 – Why cant I have what you just gave him ?

    • guest said, on February 1, 2010 at 4:45 am

      Correct! Except the issue is being raised because of the compartmentalized reservation provided to muslims. If a sub-category for muslims is justified on grounds of “under-representation”, then the same must apply to hindus too. The current scenario clearly benefits muslim and christian OBCs at the expense of hindu OBCs. Either no subcategorization based on religion or it should be applied for all religions.

      BTW, are you planning to write anything on the Telengana issue? What is going on there?

  3. rc said, on February 1, 2010 at 6:58 am

    As a staging unit for social justice Muslims and Christians are no different from – say – Naickers or other Hindu communities.

    Moral hazard to allow over representation of hindu community (staging unit) and cry foul! when other Christians (staging unit) are found to be overrepresented.

    You are absolutely correct, this piece of data coming out is due to the compartment quota issue. Otherwise, everything would be nice and quiet.

    Telengana issue : I think two blogs are covering it really well. Sujai on the Pro and Kuffr on the Con. I have had heated arguments in the past with both of them on the quota-without-data issue, but the debate taking place on both places is outstanding. Eat that main stream media.

    My guess is like everything else, what makes people really nervous about the new state is that equality will be the casualty. In a new Telengana, the Andhras settled in and around Hyderabad are SOUGHT to be treated as second class citizens. The supporters of Telengana are proposing a new consensus that “the andhras need to give up something”. Hence all the talk of them relocating (which is another word for deportation).

    You cant allow a new state under these terms.
    No deportation, No compromises to equality unless backed by strong evidence. See how quickly we are back to square one.

    • guest said, on February 1, 2010 at 5:44 pm

      If caste is the staging unit for hindus and religion is for mulsims and christians, then the minority benefits for muslims and christians should cease because the muslims and christians as a group are not a minority compared to individual hindu caste groups. They are a minority ONLY if the hindu caste groups are considered a single entity. Of course, you are the only blogger who has talked against this grand anomaly.

      Thanks for the references on telengana discussion. Recent events (after UPA II) has made me more cynical than ever.

  4. rc said, on February 1, 2010 at 7:05 am

    On the other hand, if the Telenganis are found to be seriously underrepresented. It is a clear sign that the social justice platform is a massive failure. The encroachments on the social justice platforms must be eased out.

    Deep down I think the Supreme Court is responsible for all this. For failing to adequately protect fundamental rights to both social justice and equality. For 60 years we have not had an audit of how Telenganis fared on the social justice platform and that was OKAY !

  5. revathi said, on February 1, 2010 at 11:10 am

    If this is the case, the politicians are really not gaining anything by giving this tiny population this priviliege in terms of votes. However, results such as this are inevitable-and only a systematic revision of the list of castes considered SC or OBC will eliminate this problem. This also means that the christian obcs are better of than their hindu counterpart.

  6. xyz said, on February 2, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Why should christians,muslims,powerful obcs give up their present privleged positions?They have powerful supporters abroad(for Abrahamic faiths).While OBCs in south like ezhavas,thevars,vanniyars,gounders,vellalas have empires to protect from brahmins,nairs.

    I have great admiration for you personally.But what do you have to offer for the privileged castes in lieu of reservation.

    If you are smart,start a company.Make money.Bribe the social justice wallahs.Loot the exchequer.Treat those below you as dirt.You can still enjoy life in India.You can be buddies with the leaders of the oppressed.Then you can even start philanthropic foundations and become even a leader.

    Nobody is stopping you if you are creative in any field-art,literature,music.

    Why are you whining? If you are obsessed with jusice,study law and join PMK.Get into the good books of Ayya and become a judge.

    What is your problem? I am putting my DMK ‘thinking’ cap on.

    RC,
    How would you reply to my question?

  7. rc said, on February 2, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Okay, I think what you are asking is what is in it for ME personally.

    I do all the things you mentioned but I’d rather not. I can build a cozy home, drive a nice car, etc. In other words, I am busy building my private space. The goal is to insulate myself from the street.

    But I want public space.

    You can still enjoy life in India – but only in your private space. Even the richest in India cant get a brisk jog for even 500m without jumping across sewage for example.

    Even though the example is trivial, the same applies to sanctity of private property.

    Public space is the sure loser in this climate of benefit protection.

  8. xyz said, on February 2, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    RC,
    you have misunderstood me completely.I am so sorry.I have worded it very poorly.How could you think that I will stoop so low.

    What I meant was,if i were a DMK ‘backward’ why on earth would i be interested in changing the status quo?

  9. xyz said, on February 2, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    RC,
    The Central Govt OBC beneficiaries are from the non-creamy layer.So far,there has been no accusations of any one other than the intended beneficiaries getting the advantage of the quota system.

    Dont you think that atleast as of today,the system has ‘delivered’ as far as Central Govt quotas go.Or do we not have enough data to judge?

  10. rc said, on February 3, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    >> xyz

    Its cool !

    >> What I meant was,if i were a DMK ‘backward’ why on earth would i be interested in changing the status quo?

    Lets start with this assumption.

    Everyone irrespective of caste wants public space and higher living standards.

    By DMK backward, I suppose you mean – member of an over represented BC community.

    Say you are member of community Q, that there are also other similar communities R,S,T.

    You would not want to voluntarily defect (give up quota) because R,S,T will only happily fill up your share. Only a fool would do that. This is where we are at present.

    If however, feedback system based on data was in place – you would submit to such a system because there is no price for this defection. Q,R,S,T all submit to this system.

    This will release communities Q,R,S,T into free agent hood. Either to open competition or to monitored quota. A major portion of these new free agents will vote on big ticket items.

  11. ABC said, on February 4, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    //I have had heated arguments in the past with both of them on the quota-without-data issue,//

    Why is that all the brahmins who wanted data for implemented reservation are against Caste based census.

    Are you afraid that by caste based census, the fact that 2 % brahmins occupying 90 percent posts in Govt and Media will be exposed

  12. rc said, on February 4, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    >> the fact that 2 % brahmins occupying 90 percent posts in Govt and Media will be exposed

    I think you want proportional representation for a caste (whatever it is ). Not because of backwardness. Correct ?

    This is your basic flaw. Forward castes cannot ask for quota based on numerical strength. Social justice is only for the backward communities. These communities must be identified by their ability to compete for open category seats.

    The 90% media number is fake. 18 top TV channels in South India. Guess Who owns them ? Who dominates the Cine industry ? Press ?


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