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Calls to violent conflict, the nazi-like Dravidian hate ideology you need to know about

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on July 15, 2021

The following appeared in an editorial in Kudiarasu on 12-06-1948. Kudiarasu was the official newspaper of Dravidian movement published by Mr E.V.Ramasamy (Periyar) himself and which had Mr S. (Kuthoosi) Gurusamy as editor.

The original article excerpts

Article in Kudiarasu 12-06-1948

Now explain to me – what does the preceding call have to do with social justice? It doesnt. Social justice is merely a fig leaf. Almost every issue which defies rational explanation in Tamilnadu can be traced to passions of a criminal mind. The Indian state is incapable of this level of focus and engagement, hence you will see this ideology take root and spread everywhere. The vulnerability of the Indian state is now known.

eThis is a continuing trend to this day. The number one Dravidian ideologue today is Mr Suba Veerapandiyan ; he recently made the same comment ‘ if those who hold grass pick up sword, what will we who hold swords pick up” – he made the video private after I had blogged about it. A continuing theme is ‘நேர நம்மோடு களத்துல மோதவே மாட்டார்கள் – பார்ப்பனர்கள்..’ – you can see this theme everywhere. This means ‘ the tamizh brahmins will never fight us directly ..’

What is the purpose of this call to battle ? A search for a pretext.

First quite obviously this is a bogus charge because it can be made on any group. Can I ask Suba Vee — why Chettiars will not fight with swords against Tamizh Brahmins? See how crude this sounds. Or rather how your MIND has been trained to classify this as crude but I merely substituted one word. That training of your mind is the purpose of the propaganda.

Its purpose is to create a demonization and defamation of the Tamizh Brahmins in order to create an all pervasive climate of hostility leading to indifference. Ring a bell?

I will be updating this post with similar calls to violent conflict from almost the entire Dravidian Pantheon who claim to be self declared representatives of the Non-Brahmin Tamil Elite opinion. Periyar, Annathurai, Kuthoosi, Bharathidasan, now Suba Vee, Karu Palaniappan, Nellai Kannan. I am going to use my hiatus from Twitter to chronicle and classify this material so future generations of dissenters do not have to start from scratch as I had to.

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  1. dagalti said, on July 15, 2021 at 4:07 am

    ..and and and with all this baggage they will still barefacedly assert

    பெரியார் ஒரு போதும் வன்முறையை போதித்ததில்லை

    That there has not been large scale ATB violence (like anti-Muslim violence in North Indies) is submitted by those think of themselves as ‘progressives’ – as proof of inherent non-violence of Dravideology. The பச்சை Nazism doesn’t even compute in their heads. I am disinclined to believe every single person is just consciously ‘looking the other way’ knowingly.

    Much has to do with the strength of ad-infinitum propaganda that has dullened the sensibilities so much that this alarmingly Nazi nonsense passes as quaintly middle-of-the-road to even ‘decent progressive’ folks.

    You will hear some folks wishfully infer that the fact that his rhetoric did not translate to physical violence is proof of his limited sway.

    On the contrary that this much bile passes without a blip on the radar is precisely the proof of the violent antipathy that has found uptake in fertile ground that is TN and has mainstreamed like no other.

    Keynes அன்றே சொன்னார்: the power of vested interests is vastly exaggerated compared to that of the gradual encroachment of ideas.

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    • realitycheck said, on July 15, 2021 at 4:52 am

      >> That there has not been large scale ATB violence (like anti-Muslim violence in North Indies) is submitted

      Reasons :

      1. D is mercantile and peasant elite led not military elite led. Who would actually carry out the violence ? Will subavees fight… Margeruite Ross-Barnett has said what is common knowledge to – the martial (Maravar also Vanniyar) did not see the reference to Brahmins in that manner. This could change as a new class emerges which can do it.

      2. Why violence when you can dis privilege them using government and propaganda means? Because they are the government. The “pan India” check which is a judicial principle of rule of law principles (ie #Core) and deep scrutiny does not exist. Add to this the lack of ‘liberal intelligentsia’ who are truly deep and principled. Violence will attract action from India. However targeted low intensity violence can be covered up by friendly English southern media The winning strategy is to finesse that line. This is guided by forces deeper than what appears on the surface.

      3. To Tamizh Brahmins great credit we never gave them a pretext. Think about that Austrian Jew who was charged with shooting a German in Paris that led to Kristal.. I am of the opinion these pieces are designed to INVITE an attack were designed to create a pretext. Can you imagine what would have happened if Kilevenmani was done by a Brahmin rather than by Periyars own caste ? that kind of pretext or political violence was never supplied by Tamizh Brahmins. You can see my blog on Suba Vee seeding thought of violence in heads of Non Brahmins — that an attack on a Periyar Statue would result in retaliation – not on Savarkar statue – but on Agraharam houses !! And that was a fair deal.

      • dagalti said, on July 15, 2021 at 10:28 am

        /Margeruite Ross-Barnett/ What did she say ?

        /Why violence when you can dis privilege them using government and propaganda means? /
        Yes. The functional eschewing of violence is clear.

        I meant to point out the utter emptiness in the claims routinely made in both media and academia that

        1) That EVR did not advocate violence – of course he did. Mused longingly repeatedly.

        2) And the violence has not occurred. This is usually contrasted against Hindutva violence to say this is a more immediate clear and present danger to social fabric, that justifies the Dravideological vanguard.

        In this seductive argument what is missed is that the Dravideological violence is not something that has not (yet) occurred. But that it has already happened and has been spectacularly successful insofar as it affords the subscribers the delusion of thinking of themselves as liberal progressives, while simultaneously harboring the nastiest strains of Nazi thought with no cognitive dissonance whatsoever.

    • Vijay Vanbakkam said, on July 17, 2021 at 11:47 am

      \பெரியார் ஒரு போதும் வன்முறையை போதித்ததில்லை

      That there has not been large scale ATB violence \

      dagalti, Siriyar was always using inflammatory language against Tamil brhamins, inctiting people against them and occasionally directly calling for violence

      https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5710976272261843&set=a.306225176070340
      —————-
      Look in https://www.facebook.com/pakshirajan.ananthakrishnan February 11th post
      —————————————–
      https://indiankanoon.org/doc/122642/?fbclid=IwAR34SS0OSAtDA8Dmz5SI-Y1glTTHQU7w0NYOszriJcsD5gOnA-F_tYP-cSI
      ——————————————————-
      Blatant call by Siriyar for ethnic cleansing
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7JyBzFzT4 52;20
      ==================================
      Brahmin hatred, murderous hatred, ethnic cleansing hatred , was one of Sitiyar’s consistance theme from late 1920s
      ===============
      If you search carefully through his voluminous writings and speeches , you will get many more

      You second statement “That there has not been large scale ATB violence ” is true – the operative word ‘large scale’ . There have been millions of small scale verbal violence. For example, growing up in Madras in the 60s , I have seen scrawed on some houses ‘AriyanE veLiyEru’

      There is a big difference between Tamilnadu, North India (Hindu-Mulsim violence) and Germany.

      Brahmin hatred was unknown in TN before 19th century- in fact it was exact opposite. So , brahmin hatred and any calls for violence go against 2500 years of history, hence it’s ineffectiveness. At the same time, generations of hate propoganda can result in actual violence large scale. It may not happen tomorrow or 20 years or 50 years , but it has the potential . For example, if a number of Tamil workers are killed in another state say Karnataka or haryana , ‘Periyar devotees’ can make it as an excuse for actual violence.
      Actually Dravidian leaders like Stalin or kanimozhi has become super rich , filthy rich floating in money. So they won’t have any incentive to chnage the status quo and incite violence against brahmins. Suppose , due to unforseen circumstances , the economic growth or personal ill-gotten wealth has evaporated , then there will be incentive and ‘Periyar’s’ hateful statements can be brushed up and implemented.

      It is easiest to fight nazism in early stages like cancer. Once ethnic hatred , like cancer, is allowed to mature the result can be death. Nazi like propoganda is still in early stages, but it can be efefctively countered bye xposing it in the first place.

      In north India there has been hundreds of years of Muslim rule which targeted Hindus on religious grounds. On top of it communal clashes before 1947, then Partition demanded by Muslims, and in spite of partition and “Homeloand for Muslims” we have 15% of Muslims. So, problems given by history cannot be so easily wished away , however shrill your slogans.

      Hitelers and Jews are more on North Indian situation ,except it was 100 times more. hatred for Jews was built into Germany (and other european countries) for 2000 years – Martin Luther was a violent anti-semite calling for the destruction of Jews. So, the Nazi hatred of Jews quickly escalated into actual extermination due to 1st and 2nd world war

  2. Sriram Ramanathan said, on July 16, 2021 at 8:31 am

    On the violence quotient of D – I doubt if their “criminal passion” runs as deep as the Nazis and they want complete extermination of Bs. They are largely happy with near exclusion that they’ve achieved in public spaces already and simply want to prevent ceding any ground to Bs through the incessant verbal assault. Applying your analogy on “searching for dragons to slay” their next target is to elbow Bs from private/free-market spaces (PSBB, Sridhar Vembu etc. being the flavor of the month). Or may be they secretly harbor thoughts of total annihilation, but the world around them has grown more intolerant towards ethnic cleansing and they have to tone it down. Could be either.

  3. Vignesh said, on July 16, 2021 at 12:01 pm

    @Sriram – Them being very very careful to be completely non-violent is actually a detriment to us. We have unfortunately gotten used to this hate.

    What has been going in Tamil Nadu for one hundred years has not and cannot happen anywhere else on earth. This is a unique phenomenon in the history of human civilization, if u don’t mind. Minus any actual violence, chettiar-mudaliar-pillai brahmin hate in TN is much much more toxic and visceral than nazi anti-semitism.

    Anti-semitism was sporadic. This is a fire that has been raging for one hundred years+. I can understand tamils. They r demoniac and inherently hateful. But the stupor of brahmins is deeply painful to me. Agreed, they stay at arms length from mainstream tamil society, but today, technology has allowed us to ingest social currents vicariously. YouTube, twitter, fb, whatsapp. I know all I know mainly from youtube. I have never spoken politics or caste to any of my real life acquaintances. They will actually be shocked how much I know about politics and social life in TN. 🙂

    Without what I, RCI, etc have been speaking about nagarathar-Vellalar (dravidian) movement, Brahmins in TN are like a babe in the woods. I don’t care about reservations, I dont think chettiar-mudaliar-pillai, a.k.a nagarathar-vellala, a.k.a dravidian movement will ever commit any violence on Brahmins. They are careful to an extent u can’t imagine. B.N.Pandey stayed with periyar for a period of time, and vaiko was talking about it, deliberately stopping to mention that he was a brahmin. why?

    To say “see, brahmins are coming to us, associating with us. therefore, we are not anti brahmin. no brahmin hate ever happened in TN”. To send that message. If u see the brahmin hate of chettiar-mudaliar-pillai (dravidian) movement as “anti-hindu”, ur like a group of policement searching for smuggled goods in an empty lorry. It is the lorry itself that is being smuggled.

    I can understand tamils being like that because their opinions are completely controlled by the huge propaganda machine that has been running for a century.

    But how could brahmins be so blind? My twitter account got taken down. It was a mine of info.

    I was going to post about the games the vellala dogs are playing, and played in the past. About temple entry and anaithu sadhi archagar. See vids of thozhar marudhaiyan

    1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Zgv8Us0Vg – is all-caste-priesthood possible in 100 days?
    2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z53WJQ41JgM – historical review of untouchability in temples
    3 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHYwZSGIgqc – History of Brahmins’ ploy in temple entry

    He says the Brahmins stopped the entry of lower castes to temples for centuries, in the name of agamas and shastras, and that nagarathar-vellalar (dravidian) movt only attacked that wall of brahminism, and got freedom and rights for the lower castes. Even Realitycheckind only defends the agamas, if memory serves me right. If we have that attitude, we will never see vellala malice. Tamil Brahmins alone have the need to see it. RSS or BJP or India will not help you. You might possibly have to cross swords with them because tamils are befriending them.

    Anybody with even a little intelligence can see how absurd this is. They themselves say Brahmins did not build the temples. Then what’s the issue?

    You have to see the sway that Nagarathar-Vellalar have on the collective tamil psyche. How mad with hate and malice they are, and how they feed that to tamils.

    80% of the videos in the youtube channel ‘Yean’ are only “brahmins brahmins brahmins, parpanargal parpanargal parpanargal’…

    See this for ex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5tSoKR90LM – the root of aryan-dravidian war.

    Apparently vellala dogs suki sivam, sivakumar, nellai kannan have bhakti and hinduism and kamba ramayanam alone as the sole purpose in life, but they are opposed by brahmins and their slaves, it seems. why? just see wht those vellala dogs have done, inside. I can understand tamils being swayed by their elites. How could brahmins be so blind?

    Without ppl like myself & RCI, there is nobody to talk about brahmin cause and nagarathar-vellalar games. If u think in terms of hindu and anti-hindu, u r lost.

  4. Vignesh said, on July 16, 2021 at 12:02 pm

    We have gotten used to the hate, or…we have not seen what they speak about us on that side, on their stages.

  5. Vijay Vanbakkam said, on July 17, 2021 at 12:30 pm

    EVR siriyar did gave a speech inciting violence against brahmins. So, he was tried by a Sessions Judge and convicted. Somehow, the state govt did not take any further action.

    The moron Siriyar took Jawaharlal nehru to court for giving a speech (by Nehru) condemning anti-national forces.

    Siriyar’s petiton, so flimsy, was dismisssed

    https://indiankanoon.org/doc/122642/

    Madras High Court
    E.V. Ramaswami, Leader Dravida … vs Jawaharlal Nehru on 21 February, 1958

    “2. On 21-10-1957, the District Magistrate of Tiruchirapalli committed the petitioner for taking his trial at the Court of Session, Tiruchirapalli, on a charge containing three counts under Section 117, IPC read with other sections of the Penal Code. That case was registered as Sessions Case No. 93 of 1957 by the Sessions Judge of Tiruchirapalli. The charges related to three speeches made by the petitioner on 5th, 13th and 20th October, 1957, at Kulitalai, Pasupathipalayam and Tiruchirapalli Town respectively, wherein the petitioner was alleged to have incited the public to kick, stab and kill Brahmins and set fire to their houses.

    The case was taken up for trial by the Sessions Judge, Tiruchirapalli, on 12-12-1957, and it ultimately ended in conviction. In the meantime, the respondent paid a visit to Tiruchirapalli on 9-12-1957, and, during the course of his engagements, he addressed a public meeting. In his speech he is reported to have referred to and condemned certain disruptive forces in the country. The affidavit in support of this petition states that the speech tended to interfere with the course of justice”

  6. Vijay Vanbakkam said, on July 17, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    \S. (Kuthoosi) Gurusamy as editor.\

    Chinna Kuthoosi alias Gurusamy was a brahmin

    https://www.vidhai2virutcham.com/2012/06/14/%E0%AE%AE%E0%AE%B1%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%A8%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E2%80%8C-%E0%AE%AE%E0%AF%82%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4-%E0%AE%AA%E0%AE%A4%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%BF%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%95/
    சுப.வீரபாண்டியன்:

    சாதியை மறுத்து வாழ்ந்தவர் சின்ன குத்தூசி. பார்ப் பனராகப் பிறந்தவர், பார்ப்பன எதிர்ப்பில் உறுதியாக இருந்தார். பெரியாரின் பெருமையைப் பேசுவதிலேயே சுயத்தை மற ந்தவர்.

  7. Vijay Vanbakkam said, on July 18, 2021 at 10:19 am

    “That there has not been large scale ATB violence ” is true – the operative word ‘large scale’ . There have been millions of small scale verbal violence. For example, growing up in Madras in the 60s , I have seen scrawed on some houses ‘AriyanE veLiyEru’

    There is a big difference between Tamilnadu, North India (Hindu-Mulsim violence) and Germany.

    Brahmin hatred was unknown in TN before 19th century- in fact it was exact opposite. So , brahmin hatred and any calls for violence go against 2500 years of history, hence it’s ineffectiveness. At the same time, generations of hate propoganda can result in actual violence large scale. It may not happen tomorrow or 20 years or 50 years , but it has the potential . For example, if a number of Tamil workers are killed in another state say Karnataka or haryana , ‘Periyar devotees’ can make it as an excuse for actual violence.
    Actually Dravidian leaders like Stalin or kanimozhi has become super rich , filthy rich floating in money. So they won’t have any incentive to chnage the status quo and incite violence against brahmins. Suppose , due to unforseen circumstances , the economic growth or personal ill-gotten wealth has evaporated , then there will be incentive and ‘Periyar’s’ hateful statements can be brushed up and implemented.

    It is easiest to fight nazism in early stages like cancer. Once ethnic hatred , like cancer, is allowed to mature the result can be death. Nazi like propoganda is still in early stages, but it can be efefctively countered bye xposing it in the first place.

    In north India there has been hundreds of years of Muslim rule which targeted Hindus on religious grounds. On top of it communal clashes before 1947, then Partition demanded by Muslims, and in spite of partition and “Homeloand for Muslims” we have 15% of Muslims. So, problems given by history cannot be so easily wished away , however shrill your slogans.

    Hitelers and Jews are more on North Indian situation ,except it was 100 times more. hatred for Jews was built into Germany (and other european countries) for 2000 years – Martin Luther was a violent anti-semite calling for the destruction of Jews. So, the Nazi hatred of Jews quickly escalated into actual extermination due to 1st and 2nd world war

  8. Vijay Vanbakkam said, on July 18, 2021 at 10:22 am

    One person says, it is also widely believed, பெரியார் ஒரு போதும் வன்முறையை போதித்ததில்லை

    Siriyar was always using inflammatory language against Tamil brhamins, inctiting people against them and occasionally directly calling for violence

    https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=5710976272261843&set=a.306225176070340
    —————-
    Look in https://www.facebook.com/pakshirajan.ananthakrishnan February 11th post
    —————————————–

    Blatant call by Siriyar for ethnic cleansing
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE7JyBzFzT4 52;20
    ==================================
    Brahmin hatred, murderous hatred, ethnic cleansing hatred , was one of Sitiyar’s consistance theme from late 1920s

  9. Placebo said, on August 12, 2021 at 6:10 am

    Honest Cop Who Will Reform TN Politics
    a href=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytSvRaanwi4

  10. Ram said, on August 17, 2021 at 8:05 pm

    Please write a book. In English. The one thing Ds cannot stand is appearing backward in front of a global audience.

    • Vignesh said, on August 18, 2021 at 4:33 am

      Yes. Like ‘Breaking India’

  11. Vignesh said, on August 24, 2021 at 8:01 am

    RCI comment

    Very sad to see you oppose KT Raghavan. His sex life is his personal life. We can all denounce and jail him if he’s found to be a pedo. There is some indication of that, but until then, this is personal. It’s a matter of worry for his wife and relatives. I think that woman he was speaking with, was sent by #drav in the first place. The same thing probably happened in pollachi case.

    See how the mudalians and goundans are purging TN BJP of Brahmins, making it ready for their entry. I have long been asking Brahmins not to count fully on BJP to save them, and not mix this with hindu vs. anti-hindu or left vs. right. Su.swa recently said that it is imperative to keep the opposition to dmk as anti-hindu. Tam brahms are going to pay heavily for their follies. You must have asked you kannadiga/telugu/mallu/etc friends who know tamil to watch the brahmin hate and pass it on, and put it on record. That’s the easiest way. Subtitling is hard work. It take 1 hour to edit and sub a 5 min clip. And 10 subtitled videos need to come daily to convey the brahmin hate in TN.

    But see how malice works. Now, Brahmin issues will not have sympathy. Now, they will say Brahmins are doing this to mask their crimes. Mudaliars have presumably joined hands with goundans. PSBB was purely for spite. The women personnel appointed to investigate are known to be ADMK loyalists. They did this deliberately just so they can later say “the PSBB case was buried silently because brahminism, in the form of ADMK loyalists. Just like how they made a brahmin advocate represent DMK’s case in 1972 seshammal. They do this deliberately. Panagal Raja apppinted an iyengar as special consultant for HRCE to show it like a punishment. Watch my blog about thi janakiraman. “avanga vaayala, kaiyalaye solla vechar pathiya”..adhukku.

    PSBB was just for intimidation and spite.. #drav is filled entirely with non-issues and false alarms.

    I regret that I used to think you are a big shot who grasps things ‘at once’. You are maybe a big shot but your reading of things is dramatically wrong. you are still talking of ‘arpanippu, bhakti’ and “how can atheist run/talk of temples”. You still don’t see nagarathar-vellalar malice.

    You must have heard of Dravidian Movement being spoken of as an extension of Bhakti movement, and BJP is an extension of it too. TN Congress was the first Dravidian Party in Tamil country, DMK was 2nd. TN BJP is going to be the 3rd. Even yesterday i saw that vaadhyaar mama say that all christians and muslims should be declared as non-tamil. when it comes to tamil politics, there is no great difference between vaideeka and lowkeeka pappans.

    Don’t let down KTR. His sex life is his personal life. If he’s a pedo, it would be wrong to defend him still because there are strict laws. But until then, where he faps and how many women he shags is his personal life. Its a matter of worry for his wife. Mudalians and Goundans are playing games. Defend KTR. Don’t let him down. You have long been making the mistake of thinking that the hindu tamil demons are on your side. Your reading of the ground is wrong. The palli/saanan/konans have been sanskritising anyways, even while in #Drav. They are going to free themselves from the yoke of #drav anyways. What’s the point supporting something that’s going to happen even without our intervention? the palli, saanan, konans do not have sympathy for our cause. while on that side, they channelised and drank the brahmin hate of nagarathar-vellalar. They are much more intimate with the elites, though they fight. Both of them will ditch us. Now, possibly, Brahmins are going to become enemies of BJP/Hindutva and maybe india too.

    What will the vellalas/tamils tell India? They will give ultimatums. “Do you want to be friends with us or with the brahmins? Yes, we have been Brahmin hate for a century, and yes, it was pure hate and malice. caste annihilation, social justice were all just big words, we know that, but if you talk about all that, and bring it out, we will convert and secede from india. We will be neither hindu nor indians. and then, you cannot put your laws on us. Decide for yourself. what do you want? 8 crore tamils or 10 lakh brahmins of here?” I am ready to fight 8 crore tamils as well as 128 crore Indians if they are lured into supporting the 8 crore demons. Generally speaking, India does not know south. Tamil, much much less. Even KA and AP don’t know tamils. So, they would ask somebody like aravindhan neelakandan to advise them what to do. The vellalas/tamils will make India say what they want it to say. India will have no big loss either ways, so it wouldn’t bother too much. Who has the loss? Us. Because we lose the history and narrative. So who has to fight that? Us and us alone.

    How do you think India/BJP will respond to this ultimatum? Seeing this as hindu vs anti-hindu was symptomatic of intellectual handicap. It was a prop for understanding things and putting them into a perspective. A ready made template. Why did we need props and readymade templates? Because we were incapable of seeing ground realites and forming abstractions from them. If we did, we would have modified the readymade templates, and advised India how to go about this. Tamil Country is the place where the ‘Shudra’ is the strongest, and the ‘Brahmin’ is the weakest. So, the Brahmins of Tamil country know the ‘shudra’ problem most intimately. We could be the experts in the Indian problem too, only if we apply our mind to it.

    Don’t let down KTR. Defend him. I like horny people. They are filled with vitality. King Edward 7 got a ‘Love Chair’ built, which enabled him to have sex with multiple women. Its alright as long as they keep it within acceptable limits. Pedo is beyond the limit, and we don’t know if that was the limit for KTR too. Until then, lets defend him.

    Im deeply sorry if my words hurt you, you seem to be some big shot as well, but I mean every word of what i said.

    • realitycheck said, on August 24, 2021 at 10:11 am

      Frankly I dont know how to deal with you. Taken over my comment space. 🙂 🙂

      Problem is this, you have some angst, it is valid. and have a theory, it is probably right. It *might well be the case* that certain castes are behind the hate machine. But that isnt how it works. You cannot repeat the conclusion ad-nauseam. You can but you cant sell it. You have to get under the ball and then that should become apparent by itself (if true). DO you get this part? I hope you do, because you have shown intent to fight. That is welcome.

      You will ask..
      How did dravidians repeat the brahmin defamation ad-nauseam?

      You can go 97 against 3 with that method .. you cant do the same in reverse 3 vs 97. Bad luck!!!

      Remember they created a ton of *material* books,canards, and propaganda which was used to sell it. You dont have that base.

      The right way is to engage and dismantle the canards and propaganda material.

      The ‘surface area’ of attack of other groups is very minimal that is how they designed it. For example – some rando on twitter celebrated danish sidiqui murder and immediately brahmins were called Nooliban. But a naidu landlord burning kids alive and the leader himself brushing that aside will not result in any stain on the naidu caste as a whole. This is the design. It works one way because the canards and propaganda has made it that way.

      reg KTR, yes it is personal sex life. Doubtful how many will survive such a sting. But he isnt a private person,in particular the brahmins will be target of stings, because only “Brahmins individuals are being watched as brahmins” others are only watched as individuals. So his indiscretion has resulted in harm to the wider group. It should not , it will not anywhere else in the world, but this is Dravidian land , it has. So reduce the surface area.

      Why on earth must I (an alpha ninja 🙂 whose every minute is worth 1M) spend my energy defending KTR right to privacy? He fumbled, he must go. That is the way of nature. The next guy who steps up must learn from this lesson and double up.

      What is really egregious is JAILING people without proper charges on Goondas for speech only. In that case I supported poor Kishore K Swamy with so many tweets. So I know whom to support and whom to prune. KTR is nothing for me.. he had his chance he fK up. End. Next step up.

      He has not only screwed himself but given the #D exactly the type of material they were looking for to scale up the hate. Yes Madan may have caste motivations , so? .. he has the right to push that. So he wins this round. That is way of world.

      Focus on dismantling the ideology. Focus on Cheranmadevi.. KulaKalvi , Periyar Kasi Yatirai, Sanskrit MBBS hoax, take it apart bit by bit. This is hard work. Do that. You started great but you didnt finish. You got locked into a vellala/chetty loop. That will go nowhere by just repeating. It has to be deep and going into primary sources. Pull the plug.

      reg virile etc..cmon .. this is online vid chat pRn sX shT fAp.. not an alpha lion with big dK energy with multiple partners IRL. so spare me.

      • vignesh said, on August 24, 2021 at 10:49 am

        Do you remember this – > https://thethiravidiantruth.blogspot.com/2021/08/blog-post_84.html “பாரதிய ஜனதாவில் கூட பார்ப்பனரல்லாதாராக இருந்தால் வரட்டும்”

        Just like how the vellalas were obviously behind not only DMK’s amendments, but also seshammal and adi saiva sivachariar nala sangam…they say “because we are behind Dravidam, do you think we will keep only to it? No thambi. This is our land. All parties, whether its PMK or INC or BJP, have to play by our rules. We decide everything”.

        Search for “இது ஒரு கட்சியின் வரலாறு இல்லை, ஓர் இனத்தின் வரலாறு! Subavee’s Excellent Speech” on youtube.

        Now, if we talk about brahmin hate, cheran mahadevi, etc, it will be easy for them to say “Brahmins got shamed inside BJP no, thats why they are doing like this. They are taking revenge on us for exposing their dirty truths”, and our truths will be brushed aside.

        So, im saying lets not accept this as shame at all. Let’s defend KTR. Lets not give tamils/nagarathar-vellalar (drav) a chance to say “they are saying nonsensical stuff like this because they were shamed in BJP. They have that gaandu on us. How can u get angry on us for exposing ur dirty truths.”

        The moral + caste angle should do it. Morally, his sex life is his personal matter. What was the relationship between isai vellalar and mudaliar/chettiar/balija? What was the history of sengundhar mudaliar? Multiple sex partners is a deviation from expected conservative cultural norms, but is by no means a crime. (but #drav can arrange it to be so, too).

        Next, the caste angle. This is the part that non-tamils, BJP/Congress/India doesn’t see. This is the part they will miss, and this we have throw light on this. Obviously, the mudalians and goundans have agree to purge TN BJP of Brahmins. 100 yrs is too long. This is their next phase. Even if hindutva/bjp flops in TN, they would have successfully distanced themselves from dravidam. they would have scrambled the truths. The role of Mudalians and goundans in #drav has to be brought out.

        I don’t think you understand. If the ‘frame’ of dravidian movement, which was alive for one hundred years, changes, it would be pointless to expose all the truths in it. *everybody* will watch it like watching a movie. it will have no effect.

        would jaggi have spoken of #freetemples without push from goundans (kovai is jaggi’s center) or vellalas? but tamil demons were spewing venom on brahmins for it. arjuna moorthy goundar pulled rajnikanth down from advancing because goundans didn’t want votes to go waste to BJP. They wanted to keep it between themselves.ADMK or DMK. But tamil demons spewed venom on gurumurthy and brahmins. gaikwad was actually the puppet of those guys. yet, they watched tamil demons spewing hate on us. do u remember savukku sankar during that period? how do you convey all that to non-tamils?

        BJP and india don’t know all that, and the criminals in TN BJP will very carefully keep it that way. they will play by India/BJP’s assumed narrative about TN, viz, that of hindutva fighting anti-hindu non-hindu forces. They don’t know that this group was there too.

        all this has to be done while the ‘frame’ is alive. otherwise, it will be of no use.

        ‘kula kalvi’ pathi unmaya yaarkitta sonna effect irukum? life fulla adha pathi kettu valandhavan kitta sonna dhaney proper effect irukkum? kula kalvi propagandavey kekkadha alaunga kitta…kula kalvi pathiyum solli, adhoda arasiyal pathiyum naama dhan solanum na…kadha kekura madhiri dhan keppanga. There has to be a continuity.

        And i was caught in a loop, but that was deliberate. leave alone tamils, how many brahmins are still thinking that #drav is created by christians to destroy indhu madham? i was averaging 30-50 tweets per day and posting a couple of new clips every week.

      • Vignesh said, on August 25, 2021 at 12:43 pm

        /Focus on Cheranmadevi.. KulaKalvi , Periyar Kasi Yatirai, Sanskrit MBBS hoax, take it apart bit by bit./

        You forgot anaithu sadhi archagar, which is happening now, as we speak. i believe ur still only talking in terms of defending agamas, arpanippu, “y r atheists talking about temples”, “why dont u build a temple as per ur principles”…did u read my blog post?

        The level and intensity of lies and malice and hate is really unbelievable. I never saw the saiva vellalas speak so much. presumably, they have silently been at work. did u see that interview of kalaiarasi natarajan. the drama has to be seen up close. she says “u sivachariar are tamils, not brahmins. what is ur attachment to sanskrit? why r u pushing it? and y r u resisting this?”

        now, those sivachariars are also vellalas. this is the outermost that ‘aathigavadhi-nadhigavadhi’ game will come out, open for observation.

        why are the sivachariars doing that? so that the #drav vellala-chettiar will get a chance to do brahmin hate. They are enabling that. They are pretending to be brahmins, and are saying/doing things that will be convenient for the #drav side. They have known all along that there is no need to oppose brahmins, but they have been telling people otherwise. I am exasperated, but totally broken down to see even rangaraj pandey only defend hinduism/agamas etc…

        i really don’t understand the need to strictly keep this hindu vs anti-hindu. why? to aid to hindutva/bjp/rss’s cause? do u think they will come to our rescue? not in the event of a massacre. i dont think that will ever happen. even if it does, they will make it hindu vs anti-hindu. they will bury the truths. do u think they care about brahmin hate in TN?

        why do we have to play by hindutva? why do we have to make it hindu vs anti-hindu? why do we need the palli and thevar dogs on our side? lets bring out all the truths, which will make tamils hang their heads in shame, and spit at themselves. there is ample content to facilitate that.

        then, let them take our hands according to our deal. if we also play to narratives which are suited to larger causes, we will only end up losing our truths forever. thamil indhu dogs will not heed to our truths.

        we need adjudicators who have good political + legal sense to whom we have to first show the hate on the street. that is the purpose of this whole drama. to make tamils’/vellala-chettiars’ head hang in shame, we have to rip this open till the end, and i believe that is not possible with tamil. tamils cannot adjudicate our case. they are opposing #drav today because it is fashionable to do so, and because they *no longer* need it, not because its wrong.

  12. vignesh said, on August 24, 2021 at 8:02 am

    Read my new posts please.

    thethiravidiantruth. blogspot.com/2021/08/madan-ravichandran-mudaliar-at-work.html
    thethiravidiantruth. blogspot.com/2021/08/blog-post_23.html
    thethiravidiantruth. blogspot.com/2021/08/is-writer-thi-janakiraman-vellala-as.html
    thethiravidiantruth. blogspot.com/2021/08/moron-smriti-of-rajiv-malhotra-should.html

  13. Vijay Vanbakkam said, on August 24, 2021 at 10:01 am

    Invading other’s privacy is a crime in many countries. If you are having sex or masturbating at home (or any private space) and somebody snoops on you using latest tech like mini cameras , that is wrong and illegal. If what KTR has done is with a consenting adult within private space , that is his life .
    i think there is a concerted conspiracy to tarnish people’s names and their caste by some sinister groups

    • realitycheck said, on August 24, 2021 at 10:16 am

      True, but so was Bill Clinton and Trump. What we have here is a man in public life. What is worse is the rules of Dravidian are known in advance. Even if a TB is clean they might frame you .. and then use that to bash the community. He knew the rules, he should have been careful.

      Not denying releasing in SM is cruel to his family. There is no crime committed from what is alleged. If Madan has 12 other names and he only chose to release one, that is really sinister. Lets wait and watch.

      The main thrust has to be to explore dravidian ideology .. I think expending energy on defending these are wasteful. If I had to defend one person – it would be Kishore K Swamy. THe poor guy is in jail on Goondas with unclear charges relating to speech only.

      • Vijay Vanbakkam said, on August 24, 2021 at 1:44 pm

        \.. I think expending energy on defending these are wastefu\
        No I am not defending anyone. But I am trying to get at the #D gameplan and i won’t be morally outraged or sit on moral judgement over anyone

  14. Vijay Vanbakkam said, on August 24, 2021 at 10:09 am

    there are sex pests in the Tamil film industry who have been names by his victims , still it was whitewashed by media and film industry. Action is to be taken against them instead of consenting adults.
    In early American embassy reports to their governmen in 1970s t, a very prominent politician and son of another prominent politiian , now dead, was reported to be abducting girls from city streets. That has not affected his career

  15. Vijay Vanbakkam said, on August 24, 2021 at 10:35 am

    see US embassy report to US govt about the “First famiy” of tamilnadu politics in 2009

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09CHENNAI223_a.html

    5. (SBU) Stalin had something of a thuggish reputation in the
    1970s, including alleged involvement in multiple sex scandals.
    (Many in Chennai still tell stories, perhaps apocryphal, of pretty
    girls being plucked off the streets and handed over to Stalin for
    his amusement.) He matured and shed this image in the late 1980s,

  16. vignesh said, on August 24, 2021 at 3:46 pm

    Watch the vellala she-demon slowly change the plate – > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr0Qzpwr43Y

    “you are also tamil blood only”…

    owak, I don’t want to be tamil. Brahmins are not tamils. She herself gives all the counter points I have been giving to Anaithu sadhi archagar, herself says sivachariar are not brahmins, but yet the hate remains. This is outside logic. Giving logical answers is pointless because that logic doesn’t seem to reach the tamil public narrative.

    nagarathar-vellalars’ superpower is their hold over the tamil psyche. Have u read my post about how dinamalar’s venkatesh pillai ‘mentioned’, for the record, that wat rajaji brought was not kula kalvi? Isnt that an explosive truth? But why did nothing happen?

    Its because they teach the crowd ‘how to react’ to what they show. The content is not everything. Venkatesh gives the truth, but mumbles it. He says so as to not damage the hate that nagarathar-vellalar built with kula kalvi. And that is possible, maybe only with tamils.

    Kalaiarasi too, says all the truths which should logically puncture the anaithu sadhi archagar case, but it doesn’t happen. Because its not just about the content. They have the emotional body of tamils as a whole in control. Edhai paakkanum, adhai eppadi pakkanum, epdi react pannanum num ivanga dhan solluvaanga. panni kaamipanga. tamil is a completely emotional being, and nagarathar-vellalar know it intimately.

  17. Vignesh said, on August 25, 2021 at 8:22 am

    New post – > https://thethiravidiantruth.blogspot.com/2021/08/2021.html

    2021ல் தமிழ்நாட்டு அரசியலில் கவுண்டன்

  18. dagalti said, on August 29, 2021 at 3:51 am

    RCI, one unwarranted feedback
    Btw if you follow on Twitter I can probably DM you instead of spamming here.

    Of late I’m noticing in your Twitter interactions you are using DStock/உங்க ஆளுங்க quite a bit in your வாள்வீச்சு.

    This kind of wording is fatalistic.
    What you mean is ‘a mind that is able to use DStock unironically’ but it gets across like you are acknowledging ‘DStock’ is a real thing and that’s how the lines are drawn.

    This does not invite introspection. Even in the case your conversant is beyond ‘redemption’ the neutral onlooker is unlikely to see it as pointing out the logical flaws and the ‘criminal passion’. A reductive mind – standard issue Tamil socmed denizen – may end up perceiving it as mere inter-caste skirmish. You end up preaching to the choir and attracting only the already interested parties : Brahmins who know ‘something is rotten in the state of Denmark’, but either don’t know how to formalise their thoughts or feel inhibited by their reluctance of being perceived as a casteist were they to articulate them (யாரைப் பத்தியோ சொல்ற மாதிரி சொல்றேன்!).

    OTOH if you were to keep the ideology(!) on the mat you can deny easy escape routes.

    I see how easily your position is being conflated -not just intentionally – into a broad-brush பிராமண தரப்பு, when it is hardly that. You are tasked with explaining that you are apart from what Dravideologists perceive as automatic sympathies of EVERY Brahmin. It is tiring to even read!

    Like that dude who thought you were against caste census அழுவதா சிரிப்பதா 😀
    Because in his mind you were making the simplistic position of a தரப்பு. And that’s that.
    That the fundamental point is one of principle – cannot be assumed to self-evident in our தமிழ்கூறும் நல்லுலகு.

    So…

    “If you have a problem build your temples bro, you call the shots who is stopping you” vs. “those who subscribe to Dravideology and have a problem ought to build a temple and run it as they please”

    These two land VERY differently. The former makes the recipient (and onlooker) defensive insofar as it suggests some kind of congenital predilection to ideology. He evades engaging with the point.

    The latter wording insists that is a wrong move on their part to CHOOSE a vicious, wholesomely false and bigoted ideology like Dravidam.

    Feel free to ignore. Just sharing an observation that struck me.

    • realitycheck said, on August 30, 2021 at 4:07 am

      @dagalti

      Thanks for the thoughtful comment. Even you would admit someone has to show by actual engagement that this higher abstraction works. I do both , up and down the line. You may ask what is “works” ? When you are able to sustain an engagement.

      • dagalti (@dagalti) said, on August 30, 2021 at 6:12 pm

        /someone has to/ Oh I very much understand. So much so that I have much hesitation given even these comments when I am doing nothing myself 🙂

        / I do both/
        Yes I see that. What I meant is, the weak link is the phrasing ‘உங்க ஆளுங்க’ gives an easier escape route. People evade engagement and also manage to mispresent the confrontation itself, to the highly receptive’ SocMed environs.

        Your urging to introspections, the pointing to the fundamental illogic, and exposition of criminal hatred is deftly body-swerved around. It is frustrating to even watch.


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