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Exonerate by disenfranchising yourself – Periyar to Tamil Brahmins

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on September 13, 2020

Right until this day most Tamil Brahmins wonder what exactly is expected of them to win the acceptance of the Tamil Non Brahmin society. “Dont feel superior” is laughably disingenuous. There is something else up the sleeve.

In what way should a Tamil Brahmin behave in order to win the acceptance of the Tamil Non Brahmins ?

After all the Dravidian parties with their de-facto boycott of the Tamil Brahmins have done all that can be done in a democracy, given that no one can claim a fundamental right to be a member of a political party.

During the 1962 Legislative Elections “Periyar” had the answer. In order to win the love and affection of the Tamil Non Brahmins – they have to voluntarily disenfranchise themselves. (Give up their right to vote)

Here is the text ( From the Tamil authoritative biography from Ve. Anaimuthu, பெரியார் ஈவேரா சிந்தனைகள் – வே.ஆனைமுத்து vol-1 part-A pp 45-37)

The relevant part after a long winded intro. For a full translation see the first comment.

Except this fake independence Tamil Brahmin community is against every single development initiative. Not only this , in the name of justice, politics, Dharma, religion all the evil things are happening due to Tamil Brahmins. This country has grown to this level in spite of their opposition only. You can only slow down but cant prevent growth.

Therefore Tamil Brahmins must change their behaviour. The prominent
Tamil Brahmins must publicly issue a notice condemning Rajaji’s attitude and declare his policies as a dangerous disease that has befallen the community.

That is not enough.

In the upcoming elections, Tamil Brahmins must prove their goodwill. How? They must not vote for Rajaji, his policies, or for any party he ties up with, or voting for Congress – the opposition, or not for Rajaji, or for his opponent, or for vote for anyone else. By doing these things, Tamil Brahmins cannot get the trust of the common Tamil (non Brahmin). The common people will be suspicious of you.

If, in the future, Tamil Brahmins desire to get the love, respect, and
good will of the other people there is ONLY ONE WAY.

Tamil Brahmins must not vote for anybody and stay away from the
electoral process itself. It is time for a litmus test for Tamil Brahmins.
Rajaji wont win this elections, his alliance also wont win. Congress (Kamaraj Nadar) will most certainly win and if that happens the anti Tamil Brahmin sentiment will only grow in public.

Just because there are a few Brahmins are there in important positions dont think this will be of any benefit to you. There can be some temporary benefit. Due to these Employed, High Court Judges, Secretaries, Collectors the anti Brahmin hatred is in fact growing in society. It is not very smart on Tamil Brahmins to trust them alone. It is also not a good idea to oppose Pandith Nehru. After elections most of the policies will be anti-Brahmins, except a few sellout non-Brahmins most people will support these not you.

From now, after this elections if the the Kanneer Thuli Katchi
(Annathurai’s DMK) wants to survive they too must only adopt
policy of Brahmin hate. Remember – they (DMK) might come to me for help. I might also help them. In society, except Tamil Brahmins I have
no other enemies.

Pay heed, Tamil Brahmins do not think I am threatening you. I am just
explaining the ground situation. For rapid good of national society and
civic progress Tamil Brahmins must support this idea. Otherwise I dont have any conspiracy, trick, or threats. No there is no threat. I am ashamed I have to say this.

Therefore, Tamil Brahmins, Lawyers, Doctors, Employed, Hotel owner types and others, listen. You should not even approach a voting booth. By this voluntary disenfranchisement, you will show the Tamil Non Brahmin society that you can be trusted.

Accordingly, I think it is prudent for prominent Tamil Brahmins to
issue a clarion call in this manner.

1/1/1962 E.V. Ramasamy (Periyar) writing in Viduthalai Magazine from பெரியார் ஈவேரா சிந்தனைகள் – வே.ஆனைமுத்து vol-1 part-A pp 45-37

Excerpts from the book (click for full size)

So, this is obviously the mind of a racist maniac, but was he just holding a mirror to society? His prediction did come true. Even in 2020, no elite non-Brahmin Tamil except those with BJP affiliation will condemn this. For these elites, it is easier to ignore the filth in your own backyard and don a mask of a liberal sophisticate and lecture the world about being polite and civil.

Periyar : Are Tamil Brahmins Jews or Aryans

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on September 9, 2020

Here is Mr. E.V. Ramasamy (Periyar)  in his own words from Kudiarasu 20-3-1938.

One of the side effects of the Dravidians’ portrayal of Tamil Brahmins as “Aryans”  is the  association of some of the glorious qualities found in the Aryan race such as discipline, truthfulness, hard work, courage, military organization, clarity of thought.  In the 1930’s the Aryan race rhetoric was on the ascendant with Germany rapidly weaponizing.  Here is Periyar wondering if Tamil Brahmins can be better compared to the Jew.

Translation follows :

  • What are the Aryan qualities do you see in Tamil Brahmin (Paarpaan) ?
  • How can we say they are Aryan?
  • Jehovah is the god of Jews. There are so many similarities between Hindu religion and Jew, so why cant we propose that Tamil Brahmin is not Aryan but a Jew?  Jerusalem temple and Hindu temple are similar with courtyard, pond. it must have come from there no?  They also have holy men in Palestine HIndu also have.
  • DId Jehovah become Siva ?
  • El word – the Arabic could have become Vel ? right ?
  • There are trees, worship naga (snake),  in temple .. in Eden also there are trees and the snake story. Is there no relation?

in Page 2 , he lists the qualities:

  • Jews think they are chosen one, Brahmin also say they are from head of God.
  • Jews show lamp during worshop, Brahmin also do it
  • Jews dont mix with other castes, Tamil Brahmins also dont mix with other castes
  • Jews have no fixed country to call their own and also have no patriotism, Tamil Brahmins also have no country to call their own and have no patriotism.  What is the difference?
  • Jews do not  work hard but always go in search of money .. same with Tamil Brahmins also.
  • Jews dont care have no responsibility to society but only focus on getting close to the rulers and then getting into power and torturing  and killing others. Tamil Brahmins also do the same
  • Jews stories and philosophy is totally against rationalists , similarly Brahmins religion story are also irrational? See isnt there huge similarity?
  • Jews are not courageous – instead of ruling through valour they are experts in sectarian and dividing and ruling. Since Brahmins are exactly like this (no courage)  – you tell me isnt there a possibility the Jews and the Brahmins are the same?
  • In appearance and colour also Jews and Tamil Brahmins are very similar.
  • Therefore instead of calling Paapans (Tamil Brahmins) as Aryan isnt it better we (Non Brahmin) call them the Jew?
  • Therefore I request researchers to go through this and see if Brahmins are Jews or not.

PS: I am not focusing on refutation in this post just sharing the primary material as-is.

(( of course all the accusations are vile and can be easily refuted by just inverting the questions to any group  : Do chettiars and nayakars freely mix with other castes? do naidu have patriotism or a specific homeland? etc etc   ))

P Thiaga Rajan defence of Dravidian ideology

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on August 29, 2020

Sen. Kamala Harris, the vice president nominee of the American Democratic Party is half Indian.  Sen Harris’ mother Shyamala Gopalan Harris was born in Chennai Tamilnadu to Tamilian Brahmin parents. This is causing some waves in social justice circles.

Columnist Sadanand Dhume wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal titled What Kamala Harris isnt saying about her mothers background in which he counts Tamil Brahmin achievers in America like Sundar Pichai,  Indira Nooyi, Nobel Prize winners Chandrashekar, Ramakrishnan and then goes on to say

The identity entrepreneurs who dominate Tamilnadu politics justify reverse discrimination.  7 out of 10 college admissions and government jobs have long been filled using quotas on grounds of historical grievance. It’s undeniable that Tambrams had advantages, and many of their ancestors held views about social hierarchy that grates our modern sensibilities.  Nonetheless, the communities marginalization and migration is also a text book example of pushing identity politics too far.

Source (Paywall rephrased) WSJ

This take on Dravidian ideology in the WSJ seems to have triggered Dr P Thiyaga Rajan,  a DMK  MLA representing Madurai Central who is an independent achiever himself.  He boasts of a long family legacy of Dravidian politics starting with his grandfather PT Rajan who was a member of the Justice Party a precursor to the Dravidian movement. Dr P Thiyaga Rajan then wrote an article in the online portal The News Minute titled  “Tamil Brahmin emigration was driven by opportunity not by socialism or identity politics”.

With this context behind us, lets examine the debate.

A few quick factual observations on Dhume’s article.

  • Outright quotas in Madras state start with the “First Communal G.O in 1921”
  • Pichai, Nooyi are the elite cream. It is more useful to focus on the emigration stories of the tens of thousands of ordinary Tamil brahmins emigrating within India to places like Matunga in Bombay, Bangalore, Secunderabad, New Delhi etc.

Now PT Rajan makes the following rebuttal.

  • He hails from a background of elite landholders and is restricted now to the same quota category as the Tamil Brahmins
  • Tamilnadu provided the launch pad for these Tamil Brahmins to gain the qualifications to access US Higher Education, hence if cannot be said that Dravidians discriminated them.
  • All you have to do is to look at the Development Indicators like paved roads, health indices like mortality rate to see that Dravidian movement is effective.

These are all stratagems which carry no weight.

His arguments are all fallacious but you need patience to scratch the surface to understand them.  Often times these are not refuted clearly.

In short, the touch points are

  1. Identity : Are upper castes identified by some metric other than identity?
  2. Invidious discrimination :  Are Tamil Brahmins subject to what is called “invidious discrimination” by the Dravidian state?  What is the topic of general discourse in Dravidian meetings? Who are their thought leaders today ?
  3. The development Red Herring:  Can a utilitarian argument be used to justify a social justice scheme? What kinds of arguments can be accepted?

The question of identity

Dravidian apologists have always struggled to portray their movement as a social justice movement of the oppressed against the elites.  This however was never the case from the very beginning. It was purely identity based and completely identity blind — at the same time.  How is that possible?

  • Dravidians created a pseudo-race based purely on identity basis  – everyone in Tamilnadu except Tamil Brahmins are members of this race.
  • Once this division was done, they completely cover up the identities of the oppressors and the privileged in the inside group.

This pseudo racial category was then reconciled with the social justice reservation policy.  From 1921 until 1951 the Brahmins were capped  and using a distribution fallacy the benefits were cornered by the elite non-Brahmins.

The fallacy is the following : The Brahmins were disaggregated in this but the other elites like Mudaliars, Chetties, Pillais, Naidus were aggregated along with the really backward masses to produce the 72% population number.

The Provincial Backward Classes league was formed in 1934 to protest the distribution fallacy.  They were no match however for the Elite Non Brahmin castes who did not accept their demands until 14 years later, the accommodated them with this formula

Hence this early regime of Dravidians was in effect a simple transfer of positions from Tamil brahmins to the other elite castes.  There is no social justice element to this at all.  In a mere 2 yrs after the first Justice Party govt in 1921, all sites of potential brahmin rigging had been neutralized – such as the Staff Service Commission a body that appointed jobs.

After independence, Art 15/16 required a ‘backward label’ in order to avail of these benefits.  These elites now had to socially implicate themselves as “socially and educationally backward” – which they did.  This act of self implication causes an extreme amount of resentment among the elite sections of Tamils because Tamil brahmins never implicated themselves.

Regarding the actual caste categories.  Every caste has a synonym which is classified as backward.  You can be saiva pillai (fwd), tuluva vellala (backward), kondaikatti vellala (super elite fwd), agamudaiyar (backward).  It isnt hard to get  certificate because only the Tamil Brahmins are face controlled, i.e unambiguous.

This is trivially revealed in statistics about MBBS admissions. In 2013-14 only 5.1% of candidates who applied for MBBS were from the Forward Caste, in 2015-16 only 4.7% post NEET in 2017-18 it increased to a mere 8%. This means 92% to 95.3% of Tamilnadu population is classified as backward.  It cannot be argued that all the non brahmin upper castes who were 22% in the 1947 GO today constitute only 2.7% to 5% of the Tamilnadu population.

The toothpaste effect

If you squeeze one part of a tube of toothpaste, the paste moves and collects in the parts that you havent squeezed. This is the trick used by the Dravidians to hunt for parts of society where Tamil Brahmins can be found pooled.

Dravidians like PT Rajan have been pointing out Chartered Accountancy as an area where Tamil Brahmins are now pooled hence that must be smashed next.  I normally dont like to take specific caste names but  What about the places where Mudaliars  and Naidus are found pooled?  There is no rigging or face control in CA – why cant the Dravidians compete? No complaint has been raised about this from anywhere else in the country. What is tragic is some poorer  brahmin kids may be so demoralized into a position that Medical and Engg are out of bounds hence they take up what is seen as a alternate career.

Ironically this isolation of a single caste on pure identity basis is what Dhume is pointing out as a danger that other societies must be wary of.   Another toothpaste example  is the Dravidian  lament that  Brahmins are in IIT teaching jobs, but they never highlight the thousands of teaching jobs where their own elite castes are dominant.  Tamil Dravidians generously  use irrelevant arguments like “but the Supreme Court has so many Brahmin judges”, “Delhi English media editors are brahmins” etc.  They search for far off places of imbalance to hide their own distribution.

As far as the launchpad argument is concerned, Pichai benefited from the IIT system.  Nooyi from the minority institutions.  I think this is a specious argument.

The capping of opportunities created a surplus of qualified Tamil brahmins who did not have the luxury of alternate livelihood like the landed elite or mercantile castes(Chettiars, Balija Naidus).  This caused migration to places like Mumbai due to private sector and Delhi due to Central Govt opportunities. This is not necessarily a bad thing because the Indian Union offered this escape route and surpluses can be created in many ways.

The DMK Party has no brahmins

Dr PT Rajan belongs to the DMK Party.  This is a strong party with a wide cadre network ,  multiple stints in Tamilnadu as ruling party, having major presence in Delhi too. Currently the 3rd largest party after BJP and Congress (here I am counting the dummy TN congress MP as DMK).

This party does not admit brahmins. I mean there is no official ban because that would violate the RPA laws, but there is a de-facto ban.  This is quite unique.  Dr Rajan can be a member but I cant. Hence , this is another example where Dr PT Rajan is most certainly not in the same social identity category as the Tamil Brahmins. 

Invidious discrimination

The United States has an invidious discrimination doctrine.  It is some action that “.. is treating a class of persons unequally in a manner that is malicious, hostile, or damaging”.  There is a strong element of this in the Dravidian ideology vis-a-vis the Tamil Brahmins.

Outsiders will not appreciate the sheer hostility and malice that is seen in the Tamil political media day in and day out.  In 2020, the state of the Tamil Brahmins in their homeland is pathetic.   Both Dravidian parties , the AIADMK to a lesser extent,  enforce a defacto political boycott of the Tamil Brahmins who have produced great statesmen and public leaders in the past.  The representation of Brahmins in state govt jobs, universities , schools are negligible. The achievers like CV Raman,  Ramanujan who contribute a major part to the bragging rights of the Tamil people are all but ignored in Tamilnadu.

Inspite of this total dominance,  the vehemence of the attacks on Tamil Brahmins has increased rather than decreased.  Why have the Dravidians not able to create their non brahmin utopia even after 100 yrs ? You can accuse the Tamil Brahmins of many things but they are completely  innocent in that they do not and cannot impede the non Brahmin utopia.

Today DMK MPs use language like ‘Tamil Brahmin Dogs ..”. Their leaders like Suba Veerapandian  run  a propaganda campaign of outright lies, and half truths, and slander against the community. There are dozens of highly motivated full time individuals who are using social media to the hilt in spreading this venom.  Non Tamils wont be clued into this – but those like me who are in Tamil language social media as well consider this as routine.

The Development Red Herring

Most of us are not trained to spot fallacious reasoning hence engage with them blindly.  The development indicators are a red herring —  that is they are irrelevant when discussing a social justice redistribution policy. South Africa had  first world infra and indicators during the apartheid regime , Cuba has very good health indicators today. If this was the case, then United States does not even need to care about Black Lives Matter or even about the entire slavery saga. They can just show powerpoint comparing the United States to Sierra Leone.

Liberals should be alarmed at this red herring

True liberals in India, if there are any, should be alarmed of these utilitarian arguments. It is dangerous to all minorities not just Tamil Brahmins.  Particularly the  Muslims and Christians need to watch out for the Dravidians here.  You can take Dr PT Rajan’s development arguments and re-use it in another context that can work against you.

What if invidious discrimination against Muslims result in no disastrous drop in Maternal Mortality Rate?  Will that argument be accepted?  Similarly you can dis-privilege any other caste , say Chettiars and at the same time increase the number of doctors graduated.  I would certainly protest this type of rationale.

You have to abstract out these principles out of the narrow identity context.

What data is really needed ?

To really prove the Dravidian magic you have to show the representation data per disaggregated entity, the same way you disaggregate the Tamil Brahmins.  Tamilnadu has escaped scrutiny of its social justice foundation since the last commission in 1984.  Politically, the model here is to keep this data as a golden goose under control of a ruling clique, then slowly chip away equity and give it to individuals and groups that demand to see it.  Politics is about management of this central anomaly of non-measurement.

Why care about disaggregated data? Because the foundation premise of the Dravidian movement is that Tamil society was a period of darkness , extremely oppressive for 2500 years at the hands of the Tamil Brahmins.

If that is the case then : If the inter-se differences between the groups inside the 97% are insignificant and if the balance 3%  are really not in an economically  or politically dominant position, then this implies that Tamil society is already a social utopia.

To conclude.

Dr PT Rajan is probably just ashamed that the Dravidian ideology is now being exposed to the world via the Wall Street Journal.

MK Stalin speech – Erode Dravidian conference 2018

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on August 22, 2020

MESSAGE : DO not bother deleting the video, I have copies of this saved.

See 31:07

The speech starts with this.. I mean right off the bat. !!

This shows the Dravidians deceit, when cornered cby the civilized people of the world for their blatant hate speech, they fall back to “we are not against Brahmins but against Brahminism” .

Well, but when you make use of 3% – you leave no doubt that you are speaking against a Particular group of citizens. Which you are supposed to represent as elected political leaders.

நான் உங்கள் முன்னால் உtரையினை நான் தொடங்குகிறேன் ..
தமிழகத்தில் அந்த காலம் தொட்டு இந்த காலம் வரையிலே
நூற்றுக்கு மூன்று பேராக இருக்க கூடிய ..
நிலையில் இருக்க கூடியவர்கள் ..
தங்கள் வேஷத்தை காட்டிக்கொள்ளாமல் என்றைக்கும் இருந்தது கிடையாது ..
அனால் அந்த மூணு பேராக இருக்க கூடிய.. அவர்கள் இடத்தில இருக்க கூடிய ஒற்றுமை
ஏனைய தொண்ணுற்றி ஏழு பேரிடம் இல்லாத காரணத்தால் தான் ..
வர்ணாஸ்ரம தர்மன் தலை தூக்கிக்கொண்டே இருக்கிறது ..
இதை நாம் புரிந்து கொண்டு ..
விழுப்பொடு இருக்கவேண்டும் என்பதற்காக தான்..தந்தை பெரியார்..

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This is how the conference kicked off. They key to remember is when the say 3% – they dont mean Brahminism , but Tamil Brahmins. This conference saw 200,000 delegates with anyone who on mattered in DMK in attendance. Still they teed off cursing a community that is not even present on the stage, in the tent, or even a member of their party.

Periyar’s autobio

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on August 21, 2020

I recently read a 44 Page autobiography of EV Ramaswamy Periyar.  (பெரியாரின் தன்வரலாறு  – வெளியீடு – பெரியார் திராவிடர் கழகம் )   In this short but detailed book he recounts key aspects of his life up to about 1918 or 19. 

There is something missing.

What we are taught about Periyar is he dropped out school and was helping his father in his wholesale market business. This checks out. 

We are told that he was a wealthy brash youth who used to roam around with local thugs (kaali pasanga). This checks out.

Now the interesting part is he devotes nearly 4 pages of the book to the event where he got into trouble with for disrupting a ritual. The local Chetties had invited a Hindu sanyaasi and his brahmin entourage for a Samaaradanai ritual. It so happened that the Sanyasi’s brother had a loan default warrant that needed to be served, EVR and his gang interrupted the feast and stomped all over the food of the guests , caught the brother  and handed them over to the police. This naturally disrupted the event ! After this  –  the organizers complained to EVR’s father and he lost it. 

His father then spit on his face and slapped him in full public view with slippers foul words.  EVR notes at this point is that we has married and he also had a child which passed away at 5 months. So this must be after 1902.

At this point we are told that EVR got angry and ran away from house and became a Sanyasi, which then segues into the famous Varanasi episode where he was allegedly thrown out by Brahmins and denied a meal. 

Here is the thing.

THIS ENTIRE CHAIN OF EVENTS IS COMPLETELY MISSING FROM HIS OWN AUTOBIOGRAPHY.  It is extremely unlikely that such a profound event where he was away for an entire year would not even find a mention.  

What is even stranger there appears to be no break in the narration. He goes on to say how he become famous in Erode after his father dies, how he grew the business, settled various disputes, became chairman of so many organizations until he became Erode municipality chairman.

How is it that such a profound incident  of renunciation and travel to unknown land would go unrecorded in his own autobiography?

OR???

here are the parts from this book.  

IF people are aware of primary source about the Kasi incident, or even if he went there at all, please please let me know for research purposes.

 

பனி இல்லாத மார்கழியா .. பயிற்சி இல்லாத தேர்வா ??

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on August 9, 2020
காலையில் மிதந்து வந்த ட்வீட் ..
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நவோதயா பள்ளியில 6ஆம் வகுப்பு நுழைவுத் தேர்வு எழுத, 4 மற்றும் 5ஆம் வகுப்பு மாணவர்களுக்கு கோச்சிங் சென்டர்கள் நடக்குது!!
அதுல முந்தின ஆண்டு தேர்வான குழந்தைகளோட படங்களை போட்டு வியாபாரம் நடக்குது. (angry_birdu/status/1292282917981270016)

தெலுங்கர்களுக்கே இதில்  பிரச்சினை இருப்பதாக  தெரியவில்லை !

எடுத்துச் சொல்லுவோம்.

1.  இது பள்ளிக்கூடத்தில் கூடுதலாக  கற்றுக்  கொடுப்பது (integrated). நவோதயா மட்டுமல்ல சைனிக் போன்ற  பல கதவுகளைத் திறந்துவிடும் பயிற்சி. உங்கள் பிள்ளைகளை இங்குச் சேர்த்தாகவேண்டும் என்கிற கட்டாயம் ஏதுமில்லை.  இந்த கதவுகளே இருக்கக்கூடாது என யாராலும் வாதாடமுடியாது.

2. என்ன பெரிய கதவிற்கு முன்னால் ஒரு சிறிய கதவா?  இது நியாயமான  கேள்வி போலத் தோன்றும் – ஆனால் அப்படியல்ல.  இதுவே என்.டி.ராமராவ்-வின் தீர்க்கதரிசனம். பெரிய கதவு மட்டுமே இருந்தால் – அவரவர் சாதி, வட்டார, குடும்ப, செல்வாக்கை முதன்மையாகப் பயன்படுத்தி வென்றுவிடுவார்கள். திராவிடம் இதையே விரும்புகிறதா ? நடைமுறையில் எப்படி வரும் என்றால் – அரசுப்பள்ளிகள் 4/5 வகுப்பு ஆசிரியர்கள் ஊக்கமுள்ள மாணவர்களுக்குக் கூடுதல் பயிற்சி அளிக்கலாம்.

3. சாதி உள் ஒதுக்கீடு இருப்பதால் நீங்கள் இதைப் பார்ப்பன சூழ்ச்சி என்று நிராகரிக்க முடியாது. போலி வருமான சான்று தயாரித்தாலும் – கிராமப்புற / சாதிச் சான்றுக்கு ஏங்கப் போக? மேலும் – நவோதயா ஹாஸ்டல் முறை.  பணக்காரர்கள் பங்கேற்க மாட்டார்கள்.

4. தேர்வென்று  வந்தாலே தன்னை  ஆயத்தமாக்கிக் கொள்ளுபவனே வெற்றிபெறுவான். இயற்கை நீதி. ரகசியமாக வேண்டுமானால் ஆயத்தப்படுத்திக்கொள்ளலாமே ஒழிய – இந்நீதியை மறுக்க முடியாது.

5. ஆறாம் வகுப்பில் ஊக்கமும் திறமையுள்ள மாணவர்களை அடையாளம் கண்டுபிடிக்கமுடியும். பல நாடுகளில் நடப்பதே இது.

6. நீங்க மட்டும் +2வுக்கு தனியாக ஆயத்தப்படுத்திக்கொள்ள மாடீர்களா என்ன ? நாமக்கல்லை விடுங்கள் – ட்யூஷன் போகாத மாணவர்கள் எத்திணி பேர்?  அப்படி இல்லை என்றால் வீட்டிலே பெற்றோர்கள், உறவினர்கள் ஆசிரியர்களாகத் தனியே கற்றுக் கொடுப்பார்கள். இது தானே நீங்க எதிர்க்கிற பார்ப்பனீயம்.

7. செரி – தேர்வுகளே வேண்டாம் என்று நீங்க (திராவிட இயக்கம்) அறிவிக்கத் தயாரா ? அவரவர் ஜாதிகளிலிருந்து குலுக்கல் முறைப்படி  மருத்துவ சீட்!!   ஒதுக்குவீர்களா?   ஆக – உங்களுக்குத் தேர்வு முறை தேவைப்படுகிறது.  தேர்வுகள் மட்டும் சமமாக இருக்கவேண்டும் , ஆனால் தேர்வுக்கு ஆயத்தம் படுத்திக்கொள்ளும் வாய்ப்புகள் மட்டும் எல்லோருக்கும் சமமாக  இருக்க கூடாது.  கோச்சிங் என்பதே  ஒருவித சமமட்டமாக்கும் முறை.

8. +2ல் மட்டுமே தேர்வு வேண்டும்.   இப்படியும் உருட்டமுடியாது.  ஆறில் விட்டதை பன்னிரண்டில் பிடிக்க முடியாது.  திராவிடர்கள் யோசித்து விசாரித்துத் தானே உங்கள் பிள்ளைகளை ஊரில் உள்ள பிரபல பள்ளிக்கூடத்தில் சேர்க்கிறீர்கள்.  ஏதோ  ஒன்னுன்னு கண்மூடித்தனமாக  சேர்பதில்லையே ? நீங்கப் பணத்தாலும் பதவியாலும் அடிப்பதை நவோதயா  நேரடியாக ஏழை / எளியோர்களுக்குக் கொண்டு சேர்கிறது. இதில் என்னையா உங்களுக்குக் காண்டு..

Dravidian founder EVR Periyar on Lord Ram

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on August 3, 2020

**WARNING EXPLICIT AND DISTURBING **

Observers of Tamilnadu would be shocked at the sheer volume and the depravity of what is mainstream discourse. These are not stray voices but very well funded and coordinated.  What is even more important this springs not from the masses or the poor but from the elite classes of the self-identified “Dravidians” – lawyers, engineers, doctors, litterateurs, businessmen.

There is nothing much us non-Dravidian Tamils can do,  other  than to identity the patterns, study their methods, read their leaders, and chronicle what is happening.  In that pursuit, I am deeply studying Tamil material for a few years now.

Now, Mr EV Ramasamy “Periyar” as presented to the outside world , much like Dravidian ideology itself is a completely different beast to outsiders and to Tamils. Which is why the discourse happens only in Tamil language using coarse, illogical, and vulgar idioms to repel  the decent ones from engaging. One of the common motifs today, in Tamil-Dravidian people is to call Hindu epics and scriptures as “obscene” even DMK coalition MPs publicly mock Hindus as “asingam” – i.e. obscene.  Where does this come from?

The following speech was made by Mr E.V. Ramasamy “Periyar” in Madurai near Tiruparankundram towards the end of his life.

How Dravidian Tamils think Lord Ram was born

Here is EVR in his own voice in Tamil ( see linked video 33:52 – I have copies)

33:52 (english below)

எங்கடா சாமின்னா கிருஸ்துவன் என்ன சொல்றான்
நாளைக்கு ஒரு பாதிரிய கேளேன்? “எங்கடா” சாமின்னு .. “நம்பு. அவ்ளோ தான் சொல்லுவான்
மேல ஒண்ணுமே சொல்லமாட்டான் – இன்ன இடத்துல இருக்கு இப்படி இருக்கன்னு சொல்லவேமாட்டான்..
அவன் அன்னேன் தான் துலுக்கன் — அவனை கேளு ‘எங்கடா சாமின்னா .. ” – “நம்பு”
எப்புட்றா இருக்கும் – ‘அதெல்லாம் கேக்காதே சாமிய பத்தி ”
அவ்ளோதான் கதை ..
நீ என்னடான்னா – கழுத / குதிரை / நாயி / நரி — சாமிய கண்டபடி , சாமி கண்டவனுக்கு பொறந்தவெண் ..
சாமி பொண்டாட்டி கண்டவன் ஓட போனவ ..சாமி பொண்டாட்டி மிருகத்தோட எல்லாம் படுதுகிட்டவ ..
இப்படி கதை எழுதிவெச்சுக்கிட்டு சாமிய குத்தம் சொல்றான்னா.. எழுதினவன கேளுய்யா .
கணேஷ் எப்படி பொறந்தான்? சிவனோட பொண்டாட்டி ஆனை கிட்ட போயி..
ராமன் எப்படி பொறந்தான் .. அவன் வயத்துல பொறக்கறேன்னு சொன்னான் விஷ்ணு..
யார் வயத்துல – தசரதன் – அவுனுக்கு வயசாயி போச்சு – 60000 வயசு..
புள்ள ‘பெக்குற’ (sic) காலம் தாண்டி போச்சு.. பொண்டாட்டிங்க குமரியா இருந்தாலும்..
பொண்டாட்டிய கூப்பிட்டு — பாப்பன்கிட்ட ஒப்படிச்சு.. பாப்பான படுத்துக்க சொல்லி..
அந்த பொம்பளைங்களுக்கு உணர்ச்சி வராது .. கெளடி(?) குதிரையை கொணர்ந்து.. அத கொன்னு ..
அந்த குதிரையோட ஆண்குறியை இந்த பொம்பளைங்க உள்ள விட்டு ..
இவங்களுக்கு நெனப்பு உண்டாக்கி .. அத பாப்பான் பண்ணி . குட்டி போட்டாங்க ன்னு ..
இதான் பால காண்டம் ..

 

In English  – direct translation as spoken

33:52

Where is God , if you ask what will a Christian say. BELIEVE
tomorrow you can ask a Bishop – “where is God” – he will say BELIEVE
He wont say anything more. He wont say God is here, there, or will look like this
His brother is Muslim , as a Muslim he will say BELIEVE
If you ask “how will he look” – Muslim will say “Dont ask all these things about God”
That is all

You guys however .. with  your donkey/horse/dog/jackal stories. You God arbitrary, Your Gods born to random men ..
Your Gods wives (Goddess)  sleep with random men.. Your goddess even sleep with animals.
When your stories are like this, dont blame us (Dravidians) for speaking, ask who wrote it?
kanesh how was he born.. siva wife with elephant..(audio not clear here..)

Rama how we he born? Vishnu wanted to be born in his body.
Whose body? Dasarathan. but he was was old 60000 yrs old. too old to breed.
His wives were however young and fertile.. so he called his wives
and sent them to  “Paapans” (Dravidian for Tamil-Brahmins).. made the Paapaan sleep with them..
But those queens (Kausalya,Supathra,Kaikeyi)  did not get in the sex mood..

So they called a horse,and killed the horse.  They then took the Penis of the Horse and
inserted into the ladies vaginas.. Then they got aroused and got mood.. then
the “Paapaans” did their job. Then they put a litter..

This is the story (of Lord Ram) 
This is Bala Kandam in Ramayanam..

(there is even more vulgar material about Sita a bit ahead.. )

 

Periyar himself on Lord Ram

 

Now all of this is a TOTAL LIE .. we know but the underclass Tamilians dont. The elite Dravidians – I call them அரண்மனைக்கிளிகள் (palace birds) know this is bogus, but they see themselves as winners of this absurdity. So, they let it go. Now , I dug through my resources and found what the Ramayanam actually says.

வைத்தது தரை மிசை மறித்தும் அவ் வழித் தைத்தது பூதம்;

அத் தவனும் வேந்தனை ‘உய்த்த நல்

அமிர்தினை உரிய மாதர்கட்கு

அத்தகு மரபினால் அளித்தியால்! ‘என்றான்.

They made offerings to the sacred flame, a Phantom  appeared with a plate with a Pindam (ball of offering), which the queens shared. This was the Puthira Kamesthi Yagam.

Nothing like this at all of course.  This lie continues to this day – there are literally dozens of  tweets by Dravidian-Tamils on Ram prior to the inauguration of the Ayodhya temple.

I dug around for some more explanation. This shows that Mr EV Ramasamy “Periyar” and his Dravidian disciples lie on purpose in grand settings, repeatedly, even while in power.  This wont last last.

This is from a commentary.

 

 

 

material :

சமூக நீதியும் புள்ளி விவரங்களும்

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on August 2, 2020

இன்று மரு.ஷியாம்  ட்வீட் ஒன்றை இட்டிருந்தார்

சமூக நீதி அரசியலின் அடி வயிற்றில் கையை வைத்த இந்த டீவீட்டை பற்றி என்னுடைய சில கருத்துகள்..

1. இட ஒதுக்கீடுக் கொள்கை வேறு, செயல்முறை வேறு. கொள்கையை ஆதரிப்பவர்கள், செயல்முறையை எதிர்க்கலாம்.

2. வகைப்படுத்தாமல் ஒரே பிரிவில் எல்லோருக்கும் இடஒதுக்கீடு வழங்குவதும் – இட ஒதுக்கீடுத் திட்டமே இல்லாமல் இருப்பதும் ஒன்றே! வரம்பிற்கு வெளியே ஒரு சிலரை தள்ளுவதற்கான பழி திட்டம். இப்படிப் பாருங்கள் – தமிழ் நாட்டில் பார்ப்பனர்கள் யாருமே இல்ல என்று எடுத்துக்கொள்ளுங்கள்: “இட ஒதுக்கீடு இருக்கிறதா?” ராமதாஸ் பயங்கரமாகப் போராடிப் பெற்ற உள்-ஒதுக்கீடு திராவிடம் லேசில் விட்டுக் கொடுக்கவில்லை. சிதறிக் கிடக்கும் சாதிகள் இதுபோன்ற பெரும் போராட்டங்கள் மூலம் நீதி தேட வாய்ப்பில்லை.

3. சமூக நீதி தொடர்பான புள்ளிவிவரங்கள் மூடி மறைக்கப் படுகின்றன..ஏதோ ஒரு சிலர் இங்கும் அங்குமாக பீராய்ந்து சேகரித்த செய்திகளே நம் கைவசம் உள்ளன. உதாரணத்திற்கு : மொத்தத்தில் சரி பாதியான அரசுப் பள்ளி மாணவர்கள் 28,000 மருத்துவ இடங்களில் வெறும் 140 பெற்ற திகில் செய்தி தற்செயலாக அம்பலமானது. சமூக நீதி காத்த வீராங்கனை / தமிழ் இனத் தலைவர் / பேர்-ஆச்சாரியார் சுபவீ/சிறு-ஆச்சாரியார் வீரமணி இந்த செய்தியை ஒரு பொருட்டாகவே மதிக்கவில்லை. இத்தகைய மூல புள்ளிவிவரங்கள் மறைந்திருந்தால் அவை தனி உயிரெடுத்து பெரும் பூதங்களாக மாறிவிடும். அதை அறிந்தவனே மகாராஜா .. அரசியல் பேரம்-பேசுதல் இலாகா பகிர்ந்து கொள்ளுதல் காலப்போக்கில் இதைச் சுற்றியே நடைபெறும்.

4. நிகழ்காலத்தில் பொதுப் பிரிவில் போட்டியிட இன்னும் வலிமை அடையாத சமூகத்தினருக்கே இடஒதுக்கீடு உரியதாகும். முற்பட்ட வகுப்பினர்களின் சமூக நீதி கோரிக்கைகள் அனைத்தும்  பண்டைய காலத்தில் நிகழ்ந்த , சரிபார்க்க முடியாத,   ஏதோ ஒரு கட்டுக்கதை அடிப்படையில் ஊன்றிருக்கும்.   எ.கா: ‘ராமன் சம்பூகனை வதம் செய்துவிட்டான் / சூரபத்மனுக்கு பரிகாரம்..’. இந்த வகுப்பிற்கு வாதாடும் சுபவீ, பழ.கரு, ஆர்.எஸ்.பாரதி, சோமீ-யில் பல ‘தமிழ்’ திராவிடப் பிரபலங்கள் முதலிய நபர்களே இன்று காணப்படும்  வெறுப்பு பிரச்சாரத்திற்கு முன்னிலை வகிக்கிறார்கள் . புள்ளிவிவரங்கள் மூலம் மெய்ப்படுத்த முடியாதவர்கள் வெறுப்பின் வழியாக வெளிப்படுத்துகிறார்கள். சிஸ்டம் இவ்வாறு அமைந்திருக்க இவர்களைக் குற்றம் சொல்ல முடியாது. இதெல்லாம் சமூக நீதிக்குத் தேவையே இல்லை !

5. இதே திராவிட இனத்தைச் சேர்ந்த கேரளா,கர்நாடகா, ஆந்திரா, ஆகிய மாநிலங்களில் இந்த பிரச்சினை இல்லை. ஏறத்தாழ விகிதாச்சார அடிப்படையில் ABCDE உள்-ஒதுக்கீடு கொடுத்திருக்கிறார்கள் — காழ்ப்பும் வெறுப்பும் அச்சமுதாயங்களில் குறைவாகக்  காணப்படுகின்றன.

 

 

 

Analysis of Maharashtra quota distribution – Medical UG 2019

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on July 2, 2020

The complexity of India’s strict quota system of social justice repels many from attempting to critically analyze its inner workings.  The almost total absence of informed analysis by the establishment thinktanks makes it even harder for the average citizen to get over the information hump and provide meaningful debate.  Lastly, the “transformative jurisprudence of Idea of India” offers no searching questions of the system.

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In this environment, we have the new raging quota issues of 1) EWS (poor forward caste) reservation 2) Maratha quota in Maharashtra and 3) The Tamilnadu demand for OBC quota in all India seats.  They are all scheduled to be heard in Supreme Court around the July 7th 2020 time. The Congress coalition govt in MH plans to defend it. However we do not know what the jurisprudence principles are ? What the tests are which will form the basis of these hearings. The #IOI juris never developed these.

How does #core3 help?

We provide the correct conceptual framework to analyze these seemingly intractable issues by stepping outside the establishment constraints.   First we identify the differences between a Vertical Quota ( over and above)  and a Horizontal Quota (minimum guarantee).  Here is my exchange with Christoper Jaffrelot a very important intellectual in the #IOI ecosystem.   It has to do with how social justice in the form of quotas ought to be measured.

Short answer (hard) : You should survey the beneficiaries rather than surveying the general population.

Long answer (easy) : You do not need a deep general caste census of socio economic conditions of every group.  You just need to measure how each group participates in the sector in which you are trying to impose a quota shape.

The correct question to ask ,which our jurisprudence completely misses is :

If caste-X gets its pro-rata participation share in the open competition what is the justification for further reservation for caste-X?  Remember vertical quota system is over and above. 

In this light, analyzing quota effects is relatively easy.  You just have to look for data about distribution after applying the quota shape and see how groups are faring.

The BJP govt in Maharashtra announced a 16% quota for Maratha caste in education, which was reduced to 12% by the Bombay High Court.   

Pursuant to this the 2019 NEET merit list was prepared.  This provides all the data we need to verify the capabilities of each group. A health check. So lets do it here.

Source of data PDF (NEET UG Provisional Merit List Govt of Maharashtra 7/7/2019)  : Maharashtra-MBBS-provisional-merit-list

Summary :

  • The input number provides a useful proxy for the overall population of each group who are eligible.  This is because NEET does not do shaping the eligibility pool unlike JEE-Advanced it just uses a minimum cutoff.
  • Input : Confirms that MH is a high unreserved population state. Even after splitting out the erstwhile forward castes of Marathas and the EWS you have 34.3% unreserved students.  Therefore until 2019 Maharashtra had 50% unreserved ! Contrast with the other extreme Tamilnadu which has only 4 to 7% unreserved.
  • No quota : In open system the SC gets nearly washed out, the OBC get below their population share.  The SEBC (Maratha) and the EWS get more than their input share. Hence it is clear that both the SEBC and the EWS need justification.  The SC ST demonstrate disability and reservation is justified.  Method : Use a top 1000 rank analysis.  This is a valid simplification because ideally the total number of seats should be used. The shape is unlikely to differ.
  • Open Category analysis : If you do a Top 1000 seats, the open category is 282 seats. The performance of each group here crucial to measure.  Once again SC shows real disability but SEBC (Maratha) and EWS are only slightly lesser than their pop share.  The Unreserved show a very strong performance winning 183 of the 282 seats (65%) ,but that is all they will get.  The other groups get a Top Up.  In the final reading of the top 1000 the UR who would have won 525 without the quota end up with 183.

The #core3 suggestion is to use a HORIZONTAL quota system for groups what participate well (using some objective quantitative method) in the open category rather than a vertical quota.

Raw data  

INPUT
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GROUP       CANDIDATES    PERCENT   RESERVATION
OBC              11929      27.5%         19.0%
SC                6230      14.4%         13.0%
ST                1526       3.5%          7.0%
VJ                1432       3.3%          3.0%
NT                 983       2.2%          5.5% 
SEBC(MARATHA)     4380      10.1%         14.0% 
FC-EWS            2000       4.6%         10.0% 
ALL   RESERVED   28480      65.6%         71.5%
FC               14906      34.3%         28.5%
TOTAL APPL       43386     100.0%        100.0% 


TOP 1000 RANK ANALYSIS  (WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION) 
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                                        % POP
OBC                230      23.0%       27.5%        -4.5%
SC                  20       2.0%       14.4%       -12.4%
ST                   4       0.4%        3.5%        -3.1%
VJ                  13       1.3%        3.3%        -2.0%
NT                  45       4.5%        2.2%        +2.3%
SEBC(MARATHA)      114      11.4%       10.1%        +1.3%
FC-EWS              49       4.9%        4.6%        +0.3%
ALL   RESERVED     475      47.5%       65.6%       -18.1%
FC                 525      52.5%       34.3%       +18.1%
TOTAL SEATS       1000     100.0%      100.0%         0.0%



IN OPEN CATEGORY 282 SEATS
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                                       % QUOT    TOPUP    FINAL (A+D)
OBC                 50      17.7%       19.0%      190       240
SC                   4       1.4%       13.0%      130       134
ST                   1       0.3%        7.0%       70        71
VJ                   4       1.4%        3.0%       30        34
NT                   7       2.5%        5.5%       55        62
SEBC(MARATHA)       22       7.8%       14.0%      140       162
FC-EWS              11       3.9%       10.0%      100       111
ALL   RESERVED      99      35.1%       71.5%      715       817
FC                 183      64.9%       28.5%        0       183
TOTAL SEATS        282     100.0%      100.0%      715      1000


WIN LOSS PER GROUP 
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                NOQUOTA  WITHQUOTA    GAIN/LOSS   
OBC                230         240       +10
SC                  20         134      +114
ST                   4          71       +66
VJ                  13          34       +21
NT                  45          62       +17
SEBC(MARATHA)      114         162       +48   
FC-EWS              49         111       +62  
ALL   RESERVED     475         817      +342
FC                 525         183      -342   -65.1%
TOTAL SEATS       1000        1000         0


FCs lose 65% of seats 

On OBC reservation policy in medical education

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on June 21, 2020

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A major development took place in Madras High Court on Friday June 19, 2020 when the Union Govt filed an affidavit agreeing to OBC reservation for admission to MBBS/PG Medical seats in the “All India Quota”.  A lot of misreporting is happening in the mainstream media. Look at these two conflicting reports :

OBC quota in medical seats only in central institutions: Govt informs HC  (Hindustan Times)

Centre says it is in favour of OBC quota in medical seats (The Hindu)

So which one is it?   I will try to explain the matter in simple terms in this article.  This issue is of monumental importance because Post Graduate Medical Studies is the highest echelon professional education degree you can aspire for in this country.

Writing on the reservation policies can be confusing because there are three parts to it.  The facts – you need to know how it operates regardless of whether it is desirable or not, how the beneficiaries are selected, qualifications, rules, etc.   The core principles – the first principles involved,   the anomalies, the judicial failures,  the contentious issues regarding equality, the boundary conditions, intra group issues, the merit arguments.  The political ramifications – how politics can congeal around these citizenship classes, inside vs outside groups,  alliance building where each group works to secure its gains, how the media mischief works.   I’ve read far too many articles about the reservation system where these are mixed up and end up in an incoherent jumble.  So lets begin.

The facts

How are doctors made in India, how many seats ?

I am going to leave out Dental, AYUSH (natural), and Veterinary — sorry guys!.  Just to keep it simple and use round numbers.

There are about 80,000 MBBS (undergraduate) seats and 30,000 MD (post graduate) seats.  The post graduate medical includes surgical MS and clinical MD and Diplomas. These distinctions are not important.

The key point :  The PG degree is seen as a must have for MBBS doctors.  You can see there is a giant funnel gate right there. Of the 80,000 doctors only 30,000 will go on to get a PG degree.  The competition is hence fierce and the professional rewards are high.  “MBBS doctor” is seen as a different brand.

How is the capacity distribution ,state, centre, private?

Most of the capacity is with the states roughly in 90:10 ratio. For undergraduate: The central govt medical colleges with capacity are the 15 AIIMS which have roughly 1000 seats put together, then the “Delhi and Union Territory colleges” come up with another 500.   This is the same for PG as well.

In the state capacity, the states have govt colleges, private non-minority, and private-minority colleges.  The government capacity is very affordable and is highly sought after  the private colleges are super expensive and have an elaborate cross-subsidy scheme. They surrender a small portion to the govt at a discount and compensate for the tuition loss by charging hefty tuition in the private quotas.

The south has a much higher state govt as well as private capacity.  The private capacity is a money spinner  a lot of politicians are players in this domain and there are lot of business monopoly games guarded by a complicated and arbitrary  NOC/ EC (Essentiality, No Objection) process. This provides these players to extract a monopoly price from this demand. The very small batch sizes 50, 100 intake in UG makes private medical even more expensive.  The north-south  gap is closing but this is the current lay of the land.

What is this All India quota business ?

To offset the regional imbalances – the central govt instituted an All India Quota in both UG and PG capacity.  Per this rule 15% of UG seats and 50% of PG seats are taken from the states and filled using a common merit list. This allows ANY state candidate to apply to these seats.

Timeline:

  • 1984 : First broached idea of All India Quota at 25%  (Dr Pradeep Jain case )
  • 2003 : PG quota for AIQ increased to 50% (Saurabh Chowdhry –  CJI Khare time a TMA Pai judge)
  • 2007 : 22.% quota for SC/ST within the 50% AIQ (Abhay Nath)

Is this related to NEET?

No this is not related to NEET. Even prior to NEET the AIQ existed – the common exam used to be called AIPMT (for both UG and PG).

What is the reservation policy  – it is too confusing ?

The All India Quota fills two capacities —

  1. seats in central govt controlled institutions (AIIMS, PGIMER, Maulana Azad etc)
  2. seats taken from each state using the 15% UG/ 50% PG formula.

In (1) the central institutions the standard central govt reservation scheme is followed – same as IITs.  This breakup is : 15% SC/ 7.5% ST/ 27% OBC and now 10% FC-EWS , 40% Open Competition. CHECK. No Problem here.

In (2), only the SC/ST is followed.  The breakup is : 15% SC/ 7.5% ST 77.5% Open Competition.  Problem here.

In the PG level there are roughly 1,000 seats in (1)  and 10,000 seats in (2). Now let me introduce the issue.

The OBC organizations demand that in (2) the 27% OBC reservations be imposed.   

Can you simplify this further ?

To simplify remove the UG from the contention due to the fact that only 15% is in this category and there is no funnel-gate.  Only focus on the PG capacity to zoom in on the crux.

In the 10,000 seats in the All India Quota for PG seats. The demand is to have OBC reservation and shape that along the usual formula (SC/ST/OBC/EWS/Open) 

What happened in court in past week ?

The OBC organizations and the Tamilnadu parties filed a petition in the Supreme Court on May 29 2020 demanding that the ongoing admissions to PG Medical Courses be stopped and 27% OBC reservation be applied.   (link credit Bar And Bench). This was dismissed on the ground that only Fundamental Rights violations can be taken directly to the Supreme Court , the judges held this was not a fundamental rights case and tossed it to Madras High Court.  The parties immediately filed in the Madras High Court.  During the hearing the Central Govt Health Ministry filed an affidavit declaring that they are in favour of extending the 27% OBC quota in all seats and that they had filed a similar affidavit in another case already pending in Supreme Court since 2015 in a Writ Petition Saloni Kumari and Onr.

So the issue is back in the Supreme Court where the aforementioned Writ Petition is scheduled to be heard on July 7 2020.

What about the caveat about the overall 50% limit and existing seats cant be disturbed?

I would not think too much about it. This shows that neither the govt nor the judiciary has a “core” level insight into the issues involved.   In the Indian framework , what they do is keep the current capacity as-is and add extra capacity to one one group then declare that “why are you bothered? the number of seats are the same for you”. Just a sweetener.

Moreover, the 50% is incorrect, because the new limit is 60% after the FC-EWS quota.

The Tamilnadu sides want immediate imposition of the OBC quota by expelling the 27% unreserved doctors and carving out an exclusive quota. This is as per the scheme of things and a valid demand.  The Affidavit declares a rule  that the absolute number of seats currently available to the Unreserved (again this is Open competition available for OBC doctors as well) must not be reduced. This means the states have to cough up extra capacity by creating more PG Medical seats for OBC alone.  I dont see a huge problem with this – after all these are just MCI rules which dictate the seat capacity. That can be tweaked.

So what is the current situation for this year ?

The govt cited the COVID-19 crisis to claim that disrupting the 2020 PG Medical seats will cause suffering hence it appears that this year PG medical seats may be filled without OBC/EWS reservation.  Second,  breaking the promise and expelling the general category students AFTER the game is played will be an egregious violation of fundamental rights. Maybe too much even for a “transformative progressive” court.

Part 2 : Core  Principles at play

Now lets move to the Core3 topics, these are more fundamental and not linked the legal matters. It is very important we have a proper grip at this level. I dont see this either in the judiciary, government, or any of the think tanks.

What are the reservation dynamics of PG Medical in particular ?

Indian reservation policies are not applied at the level of the degree rather at the micro level at each site.  As mentioned, PG Medical is the holy grail of professional education in India.  But some specialties in particular are in very high demand – for example M.D. Radiology is the creme,  M.D. Dermat is second and so forth.  The 27% reservation does not mean 27% of PG seats will go to a group but that 27% of M.D. Radiology in College Hospital X will go to OBC doctors. Each discipline in each college-hospital is divvied up.

Is it true that only 250 OBC got admission in AIQ ?

False. You need to understand that in the 77.5% existing Open Competition all groups can compete.  In NEET PG 2018 I have the following numbers :  Of the 10,400 seats 2,500 were taken by OBC.  Of the 1000 odd seats in AIIMS/Delhi Colleges 257 were taken by OBC in the “OBC quota”.  The OBC activists never count the OBC doctors who were admitted in the open competition. When they say “2800 seats denied to OBC” they mean “over and above” the 2500  they got in the open competition.  The keyword “Over and Above” was first used by Marc Galanter to describe the Indian Vertical Quota system.  See Reference [1] for full list of 2018 AIQ PG Medical seats allotment.

What do you think of the reservation jurisprudence ?

On all #core items, Indian “transformative constitution” jurisprudence comes up  a cropper. Very poorly developed tests, incorrect framing of questions, freely adopting spurious arguments,  temporizing, inconsistency, sectarianism, grandstanding are in display. For example :  Why did the Supreme Court not mention the Saloni 2015 writ petition  when dismissing the May 29 case?  If reservation was not a fundamental right , why admit the Saloni 2015 petition in SC?    Most importantly, this is a wide impact issue affecting how Doctors are made in all of India. How can  you keep such a crucial case pending from 2015?  It is very important that a major injection of #core is required in these institutions.  Our public intellectuals come up woefully short too. Otherwise these anomalies build up and when they crumble at some later date it will a very painful experience for all of us and our kids.

What is the underlying issue with Tamilnadu and OBC?

Tamilnadu is the epicentre of all this action. Why?  This is a very important issue that others may not get.  In TN,  almost everyone 93% to 96% are in reserved category.  Roughly 74% are in OBC category (NEET TN 2017-18).  This is not the case with any other state. The bald truth is  –  Tamilnadu reservation categories are designed to exclude the Tamil Brahmins. Nothing else explains the ratio of applicants to MBBS. The other forward castes are likely using a synonym.

Back to the PG issue. I have data from 2018 Tamilnadu state quota of 50%. This is the part where each state applies its own reservation policies on its doctors.

  • Of the 1272 PG Medical seats – FC 53, BC-Muslim 63, MBC 318, BC 604, SC 199, SC-Arunthathiyar 33.  [Reference 2]
  • Only 53 MBBS doctors are from unreserved castes out of 1272 !! Even though the total number of unreserved seats are 394.

This shows that the BC group in Tamilnadu is fully competent and capable and most likely includes forward castes in the mix. The top 30 ranks are OBCs.

Futhermore the Tamilnadu OBC group is divided into the MBC  which is a more accurate social justice group.  When you collapse to an All India Quota, the MBC group do not get the spots. This only works as a ‘lets get a foot in the door first’ tactic.

The central problem with extending OBC quota to the AIQ list is : it will impact states with OBC doctors who might represent really backward classes, measured using a capabilities test.  You should be able to foresee the pressure and pull that will be created if you release such a large OBC doctor contingent from one state.

Are doctors educationally backward ?  The limits of reservation entitlement

The Tamilnadu MBBS doctors go through the same courses, live in the same hostel, have the same facilities, then earn well.  SC can be said to have suffered from systematic issues, but certainly not the OBCs.   I cant imagine how these high specialty courses like M.D Radiology , Anesthesia,  will be out of reach of OBC MBBS doctors  if they compete with all.  Also the creamy layer issue is a joke. The MBBS doctors income is not considered and his/her parents income too from salaries/agri.  Very few doctors will fail to qualify for NCL (Non Creamy Layer) certificate. I dislike the creamy layer concept itself. A poor quality judicial invention , a sweetener of the Indira Sawhney (Mandal) era.

Part 3 : The political part

Who is claiming credit ?

None of the parties are coming out of this looking good.  The DMK never bothered about this for 14 years !  But once they seized of the matter they moved at a rapid pace. Credit must be given to P.Wilson Advocate and MP.

The BJP govt has filed an affidavit agreeing to this reservation  from 2015 but is not stepping up to take credit.  They seem like a deer caught in headlights.  This lack of confidence is due to not understanding the issue at a core level.  The courts are not looking good because who would temporize such a crucial case for 5 years !!

What about the political economy dynamics ?

I group all reservation / social justice matters as #core3.   The central idea in all of these case is DATA and SCRUTINY.  The court’s central duty is to guard and insist on data otherwise factional politics will drive the country into a low grade democracy. Only a tiny swing group, I call Free Agent voters will really  vote on public or national interest matters.  In Tamilnadu case, both 71 Sattanathan commission and 82 Justice Ambasankar commission clearly warned that a handful of castes are lopping up the benefits.  This will hold true today as well, these winning groups will stick to the political formation that perpetuate these benefits and prevent a study. That is the rational behavior, you cant grudge anyone for that.

So what is your recommendation ?

In all #core3 issue data must be a prerequisite.  This must be non-negotiable because ignoring this will exponentially increase the costs of this data becoming public in future.  This will lead to violence because it is one thing if chips fall unevenly in open competition but if social engineering results in uneven benefits, people will react.

This is a golden rule that must be followed at a minimum.  Whenever you extend  reservations  into a new frontier, you must insist on a data checkpoint. As I mentioned the OBC Doctors already crossover 25% into the open category. So further reservation for PG does not pass the sanity checks.  The irony is something as simple as college admissions to make doctors need a battalion of lawyers, dozens of court cases, supreme court benches.  Something must be wrong. No other country has this feature.

The unreserved castes are somewhat protected by the new 10% EWS quota which is a counter weight.  Reservation on economic group is like adopting a HORRIBLE idea to  offset a  BAD  idea.

This is a clear sign we are in a race to the bottom.


References :

  1. NEET PG 2018 Medical All India Quota counseling round 1 results.   Pull this into Excel and you can see that OBC won 2500  odd seats.  The activists do not count this. 2018 PDF All India Quota Allotment including Central Institutons aiq
  2. NEET PG 2018 Tamilnadu 50% allotment.  Again pull into Excel and count the number of each category.  Out of 1272 seats only about 55 are taken by Unreserved candidates. pg-medical-phase-one Tamilnadu PG Medical 2018 allotment
  3. Common Counter Affidavit filed by Union Health Minister agreeing to provide OBC quota for PG Medical , perhaps from next year onwards Credit to Bar and Bench for the PDF, I had to save a copy on my blog only because links tend to vanish over time)  Common_Counter_affidavit_of_R_4_in__W_P_No__8326_of_2020__8324_of_2020___batch_