Reality Check India

Demystifying NEET. Caveat Emptor

Posted in Uncategorized by realitycheck on May 22, 2016

You can judge how mature a society is by looking at its education sector.  The Indian state even after 70 years of Independence is certainly not looking good from that angle. So how  exactly are doctors made in the worlds largest democracy?  What is the NEET (National Eligibility and Entrance Test) ? Why is this the subject of so much misinformation ? Here is a shot at clearing the air.

First, this is not about the legal issues surrounding NEET.  The legal issues are at a lower level and not very interesting.The two main legal issues are 1) does the MCI have statutory authority being merely an administrative agency using delegated powers to run roughshod over the states ?  2)  can NEET  be imposed on minority medical colleges?  I have already covered these in an article written immediately after the NEET judgment “On Justice Kabir’s correct NEET judgment



In this article will try to plug what I consider to be the main information gaps in the NEET debate. Lets try a Q&A format.

How many seats for MBBS in India?

The rough stats are as follows.  India has about 50,000 medical seats at undergraduate level. Roughly 55% are in private colleges and 45% in govt colleges. Of the 55% in the private sector 50-60% are with minority private colleges and the rest with non-minority colleges.  Of the 45% in govt colleges the vast majority are with state govt. The notable ones with the Central govt being AIIMS, AFMC.

Believe it or not getting this basic level of information is hard work.  The collation and disclosures are not being done by any ministry after the ‘pull model of the Right to Information Act’ took hold.

Can private medical colleges admit purely based on money?

India hasnt been able to solve the central problem of education at school or college level. It has a love hate relationship with the private providers. The main issue is if you granted a free pass to the minorities (linguistic and religious) due to the way the constitution is interpreted  you simply have to do so for the others. This dilemma has not been resolved to this day and is currently the site of the main strategic battle in India.

In the 90’s there were two landmark cases you need to know about that shaped the current situation. The first was Mohini Jain vs Govt of Karnataka.  In that case, the court ruled that private colleges could charge no more than what govt medical colleges did. Obviously that kicked the private institutes hard and it was clear they were all going to go bust and the govt was in no shape to pick up the demand. So they retried it in another case called Unnikrishnan vs State of AP which established “cross subsidy” as a principle that exists to this day. The idea is you could split the seats into ‘free seats’ and charge a higher fee for some other students and use that to subsidize the former category.

Contrary to what people think private colleges cannot take all their seats and simply sell them to the highest bidder. Transparently or non-transparently. This is how it works, roughly with minor variations across states.

  1.  About 40% of all seats are given to state govts – they are filled by merit list created by a state govt administered test. The fees are comparable to govt colleges.
  2. About 30-40% are filled by another test – usually as a result of a consensual agreement. This is COMED-K (in Karnataka) and MCET (Andhra)  similar tests exists everywhere.  The fees are fixed and are much higher than the govt seats.
  3. About 10-20% are with the managements to be allocated via a transparent process.
  4. 15% is the quota for Non Resident Indians !!! (believe it or not) The rationale for this quota  is that foreign Indians are usually rich and can afford to cross subsidize the others!

So only the 3) and 4) intake can some hanky panky happen.  Lets go a little deeper.

What is scope of NEET ?

NEET is an eligibility and entrance test.  The test would create a single merit list nationwide.  From that single list states and colleges can carve out their own lists based on categories. The rule is that within a category the inter-se ranking is preserved.

NEET would remove quota system for OBC

Absolutely not.  NEET has nothing to do with the caste quotas.  What will happen is they will take the NEET merit list remove all the non OBC students and voila you have a OBC Merit List. This will be used to fill the Vertical Quotas for OBCs in all state and central medical colleges.   Similarly for SC/ST/OBC-1/OBC-2A/ what not.  You take one list and derive many lists. I was surprised to see so many Delhi students think that NEET would do “merit wise” medical seats and not caste based !!

Are you saying “meritorious” students cant access thousands of new seats after NEET?

So tragic that this lie is being spread to gullible students by some vested interests in the establishment.  This is the truth.

NEET will not add a single extra seat.

All the seat sharing arrangements I talked about earlier stay as it is.  All the state govt domicile quotas stay in place. All the caste based quotas also stay as is. The NRI quota which is outside NEET also stays as is.

There are so many students in Twitter thinking that after NEET they would get to access a whole lot of new seats in other states, private universities,etc. Stop. Please.

The only thing NEET does is force all the existing seat sharing arrangments to draw from a single national merit list by categorizing it.  For example : a TN State govt would take the national merit list and throw out all non-TN students and derive a state merit list. Not a single new seat will be added.

Will NEET break the Mafia Nexus and throw open seat to poor students?

First of all the “mafia nexus”  as alleged by some activists in a letter to the President is an interesting beast.  The real question is WHY there is a politician and “mafia” nexus in such a high echelon & knowledge based sector like medical colleges?  The reason for this is the sectarianism and capture of this vital sector by malafide players. The sector is not seeing participation from eminent philanthropists rather by those with the political connections to get this, that ,or the other license approved.  NEET does not address this at all. So lets take it easy o the Mafia , they are here to stay. NEET or no NEET.

Will NEET allow poorer students to access seats denied to them ?

Well, the jury is out on this one too.

See this from the angle of a poor or middle class student. If you rank high enough in the state entrance tests, even today you can afford an MBBS seat. If you dont kill it in the state govt exam but make it to the private exams (COMEDK etc) you can still become a doctor if you can scrape together about 6-10L/year.  If you are poor and you fail to make the grade in either of these types of exams – essentially the door is closed.

Now if you are rich, things could be different.   If you screw up the state exam as well as the private exam, you still have a shot using the ‘management quota’.  There are very few seats totally at the discretion of the management that they can just give to anyone with the cash.  Still you could play some games , such as dummy candidate vacated spots, lack of enforcement in politically powerful private colleges, and buy a seat for yourself.  This is what they mean when they say ‘Donation seat”. This I would admit is rampant and despicable. The thing is NEET is not the way to kill this.  Better laws that dont grant these guys any monopoly status and better police is the way to nail them.

NEET and transparent process and middle class

Be careful when you use the term ‘transparent process. A process could be fully transparent and still be of no use to you because you cant afford it.  There is a very famous medical college on the west coast of India which has a transparent exam, fully clean fees (cheques only) and cost 25Lakhs/year.  NEET will not change this.  If you cant afford something pre-NEET , you will not be able to afford it post-NEET.

What are the arguments against NEET in principle vs the way Supreme Court is pushing it

The touch stone for me is the so called ‘doctrine of legitimate expectation’. Lakhs of kids across the country have prepared for the exams in a certain way, using a certain method, inside a certain syllabus.  They are able to invest so much effort into the preparations only because they assume institutional stability.  This is not just a peripheral issue to them, but the main focus of all their activities over 2-3 years.  You cant just walk in and disrupt like that with a diktat from top. Especially when the new exam is designed to favour students of a particular board (CBSE). There are tiny nuanced differences even  between boards of high standards like AP and Bengal and CBSE. Maybe Physics goes a bit further in one side in NCERT, maybe Biology is slightly different in one. These tiny matters may not rock the boat of these clueless activists but could mean the difference between doctor or not for these kids.

The next objection is imposition of one syllabus, NCERT.  Before a single exam regime like NEET is imposed there needs to be concerted effort to bring up all the states to a single or atleast comparable academic standard.

NEET destroys institutions.   For Andhra students, EAMCET is a way of life, a pivotal institution around which their entire high school life is planned. The exam itself is not just a piece of paper, there are actual people, rules, psychometrics, exam logistics, counselling. An entire ecosystem that has seen decades of real world use and absorbed and adapted to various local pulls and pushes.  Think about it. Why would you lose this? Or if you wanted to lose this – why would you do it just because of some spite over how rich kids get in easy?

Will NEET lower fees?

Not really. NEET by itself has nothing to do with fee regulation.  In fact, my bet is that NEET will increase fees. I predict the following rearrangement.

  1. Category 1 :  NEET (low fee merit list)
  2. Category 2 : NEET (high fee merit list) for the current 30% under private exam
  3. Category 3:  The mgmt quota will take from NEET but hike fees substantially for all. So will accept 40Lakhs/year and take in NEET order.
  4. Category 4: NRI quota (outside NEET anyway) – this monstrosity needs a separate post by itself

Therefore what will likely happen is due to the loss of selection autonomy, private colleges will simply hike the fees across the board. Remember they can do this because you admitted they also have political backing.  As an illustration.  Imagine that the mgmt quota hiked the fees to 30L/year and then used NEET to pick.  Is that such a momentous improvement over the old method where the nominal fees was 10L/year but you could bribe your way in with 40-1Cr. This is the real benefit of NEET.

Next some poor analogies I saw on TV

IIT exam is based on NCERT. Why you no complain?

The difference is you can become an engineer without an IIT exam.  You cant become a doctor without NEET.  In other words, IIT (JEE Adv) is one of many exams and NEET is a single exam regime.

What loss of autonomy yaar? AIIMS did they lose autonomy?

This point was made by BJP Spokesperson Sambit Swaraj.   Firstly AIIMS uses a higher standard exam, secondly they did lose autonomy. What he is really saying is AIIMS is not complaining about loss of autonomy so private colleges should not complain.

USA does MCAT – why are you jumping ?

MCAT Is not administered by the US Govt. It is a exam by a consortium of medical schools. The analogy is to COMED and other private exams.  Second Medical schools use MCAT only as one marker. Almost all US medical schools have additional tests and interviews that can rearrange or disturb the MCAT merit order. This is not how NEET works.  Colleges cant screen afterwards.

But surely a single test is better instead of dozens?

This is debatable. If a single test emerges out of a voluntary arrangement of various providers , such as in MCAT, that is desirable. The reason being it is Extremely expensive to create a test that conforms to certain statistical shapes.  It is dead easy  to create tests that simply result in thousands of candidates scoring 100% and the shape is generally flat and bunched at the top.  This is what we are doing now.  Given these costs,  various colleges might decide on their own accord to come together and amortize the costs.

Given the diversity of boards, the availability and maturity levels of local access to coaching, and the knowledge gaps even within coaching centres —  multiple exams like they exist today are the best.  I frankly dont see the problem – multiple exams also gives you multiple chances. Not just to convert from fail to success but from success (low) to a high success (ace) – that gives you options.  I know so many motivated kids who give so many exams even going to centres in bunches by train. I dont see the issue here.

So what about Vyapam?

Nothing. I dont understand how Vyapam can be a justification for NEET. Remember Vyapam involved govt administered exams at the core. In fact I’d use Vyapam as an argument against NEET.

  • In 2015, AIPMT (now known as NEET-1) was leaked,  in 2011 the AIIMS paper was leaked.  Just because an exam is conducted by government doesnt mean it is foolproof.

If you had multiple exams and institutions had control, then the effects of a leak in a single exam is not catastrophic.  If you put all your eggs in the NEET basket then a leak in that exam will be calamitous and ruin the lives of many.

 Grade inflation and NEET

Say all the states threw away such good exams like EAMCET, and many private exams, and we were merrily doing NEET for  2-3 years. There is nothing that will prevent a future government from making NEET dead easy to achieve social balancing. Once that happens, it would be impossible to extricate yourself because the states will be helpless against a hostile central government.  Also the looming 93rd Amendment which is still not repealed can step in and completely destroy private medical colleges. Imagine this argument : You never complained about loss of autonomy when you agreed to submit to govt assignment of student in admissions. Why are you jumping when we put 3 govt babus on your board and ask you to give 25% quota to EWS output from RTE regime?

Finally , the grand daddy of them all – Idea of India

IJustice Kabir pointed it out exactly. There is simply no way NEET can be forced on minorities without  a dramatic and new reading down of Article 30.  In true #IOI tradition right now they are passing an ostensibly secular order (NEET). But those like the #Core who know how the system works also know  minority colleges are going to win out on a simple facial challenge.   NEET goes against well established minority protections starting from St Xaviers vs Guj, St Stephens vs Delhi, the TMA Pai troika.  People look for all kids of flowery words in judgments, rather than simple logic and reasoning. Kabir figured out where the tension was and bailed early. Now the country is once again being led down this disastrous path by those who cant even write a proper analysis of why Kabir was wrong.

Also in true Idea of India fashion , we might well end up with an evil lie (Tekiyyah in Hindi) compromise that adds layer upon layer of anomalies to what is a simple judgment of Justice Kabir.  One way in which that might happen is an extra step granted to some groups.

Say your college had 100 medical seats you would be allowed to invite 400 in NEET order, then administer a second test and shuffle. This is what is happening in DU where minority colleges can do a an extra screen after the board results.  Indians are generally impatient and dont tend to spot these kinds of cheap circumvention.  Imagine you had a grade inflation scene and everyone of the 400 came in with a 99+% for your 100 seats. Then that whole exam CANCELS OUT completely and the real exam is what you administer on your own.

Unfortunately I could not make this post short. Because the media and opinion makers are assigning dozens of imaginary virtues to NEET. We have no choice but to play whack a mole.

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  1. Aparna said, on May 22, 2016 at 11:42 am

    Thanks for such giving us such an easy reading of the complex NEET issue. There were many issues that were clouding my mind and these have now been removed because of this article! Thank you.

  2. Aruna TVM said, on May 22, 2016 at 1:56 pm

    Really Very Good Article about NEET. Maximum confusions are cleared now. Moral of the Story we should born in RICH Family always

  3. bala said, on May 22, 2016 at 2:07 pm

    That summed it up nice and well. NEET was a hasty decision thrust upon the students without considering the effects. I seriously doubt, whether the people who did this had any idea of the complexity.

  4. Mallika said, on May 22, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    Undivided AP and now AP and Telangana states conducted EAMCET and MCET last year. My daughter wrote both and I was impressed by the transparency of the system. MCET was conducted online and after some time the students could login and check their paper that they clicked and the correct answer. So, there is no doubt about the legitimacy of the exam. A couple of questions were wrong and all kids got 2 points more. And the questions were in English and Telugu.

    Bigger problem was paper leakage in AIPMT. Hence for her score in KLE and Manipal entrance tests her rank was higher and wait-list number was higher too. Because, kids want to keep the seat in hand knowing the uncertainty of another AIPMT test. Eventually she got in Manipal, her first preference, but it was a bumpy ride.

    I am glad she lucked out because she finished 12 in 2015 not 2015. NEET will help the privileged English Medium, CBSE, ICSE urban kids over rural and vernacular medium kids. Surprising that BJP is not highlighting this serious issue.

  5. Raj said, on May 23, 2016 at 2:19 am

    I can’t even imagine pain of Apple and TS students who dedicatelse their entire childhood and life for entry into medicine through eamcet and an arbitrary thing likeep NEET is playing with entire middle class. If this is has any way forward, entire middle class and medical field is taken away from them forever. Appreciate all your efforts in highlighting this issue.

  6. quirkypajamas said, on May 23, 2016 at 2:48 am

    This is the best thing I have read on NEET until now. I am an MBBS aspirant this year and I genuinely do not have the expertise to counter all those arguments because let’s just say the truth, I know all of it is true. NEET will not be much of a change. However I can certainly give you an insight in what some of us are going through right now.

    1) Truth, however argued will always remain the truth. And I will tell you the reason why an overwhelming number of students are in favour of NEET. Simply because we get a second chance. I am an idealistic kid since forever but I will NOT say that it is only because students don’t want corruption. We don’t. We hate politics messing up our education, we hate being a football being kicked about for the past month. But I will honestly agree, NEET is going to change very things, but the one thing it definitely is is a ray of hope for everyone to improve. Certainly that is far fetched. Two months is not a miracle. But it is a time duration long enough. It is a truth most refuse to acknowledge, but as someone who does realise this, that in one HUGE reason.

    2) I gave quite a few exams after NEET. I was faring pretty well in them and would have landed a college had not all of these had been cancelled one by one. Be it state board or private colleges, all those efforts went in vain after simply one judgement. Not to mention travelling expenses, the effort and the mental plunge it takes to give an exam which decides your career. Few days later we(my friends and I) decided that we will positively accept this decision and work again to do well in NEET phase 2. We had JUST made up our minds when we were again told that those exams will take place AGAIN.
    It is all very well for adults to say “keep studying whatever happens, don’t disturb yourself”. But trust me, easier said than done. I have seen some of my friends go through mood swings one after the other. I myself felt excited one moment and disappointed the next. For us, this is not just an exam. We look forward to getting a college, we look forward to beginning a life that friends from other streams already have. This has taken some of us an year of drop-out to prepare, for others 2 yrs or for some others having to balance between boards and entrances. We treat all this as a challenge, we have lists of things we will do after entrances end. These might sound trivial but for 18/19/20 year olds, these matter. Having to sit for hours every day for months with a single goal in mind is not always smooth. And when you are told you have to do this all over again, it takes guts to say – Yep. Two months again. Yes we know we have to study ages in MBBS but it’s shameful that not one leader in this mess considered our state of mind. Whether state board students or aipmt aspirants.

    3)Said that, I do want NEET this year. Because simply enough, I am not in a mind enough to appear for 10 other again. State exams (for those who don’t live there) are HELL. They give you centres at the most obscure of places where you can reach only through Google maps and even then it takes hours of traffic. Parents sit outside in the sun and wait for HOURS. Truthfully, yes if they do happen again, I will give them again. But it is extremely annoying for this to happen. Not to mention railway tickets are barely available, in the chaos that will ensue if all exams happen again.

    4)If they truly want to ‘change’ medical education then the first thing that should be removed is reservation. Only the ones who go through this know the amount of hopelessness you feel when you watch friends with the SAME economic background and resources walk into some of the best institutions of the country with a worse rank while you take a drop. It is frustrating, and worse we have been taught to accept it. We accept the fact that being in the general category just means more hard work, lesser seats and higher marks.

    5)I understand the concerns of students from state boards because let’s say it, I would have said the same thing had I been in their place. However after reservation, state quotas are the worst to come into existence. They have to be removed someday. Because I do not think that a person lucky enough to be born in west bengal or Maharashtra deserves to get more number of seats simply because he/she was born there. True merit is when there is no quota AT all. Even if this sounds idealistic, that is what I feel. Am I not worthy enough to compete for more number of seats simply because I was born in a state with lesser medical colleges?

    6) The hue and cry about NCERT. What I do believe is that a true medical aspirant prepares for everything. However far-fetched that sounds. I have given state exams as well as Aipmt. And anyone with basic concepts can ace NEET, I will tell you. A friend of mine is doing exceedingly well this year and she barely picked up the NCERT. Medical entrance exams test you on science. And let’s say there are minor variations like Botany being more prominent in a state board exam, that CAN be covered by studying equal amount of Zoology for NEET. However I cannot argue the syllabus of state boards which don’t include grade 11th or which do not have exams at all. From our point of view, that is just unfair that they get the easy way out.

    All in all as you can make out, I am basically confused. Most of us are here hoping that the decision comes out soon. We have no problem studying for whatever it takes but we are absolutely HATING this football match. We have been doing this for months. While friends from rest of the streams are either in college or enjoying the post grade 12 phase, we are sitting here STILL waiting for our freedom to arrive. We are ordered to exhibit an immense amount of patience but we are teenagers after all. We are craving to go watch a movie or finally go on a holiday. The break never seems to arrive.

    I know I am pretty incoherent with what I say. Please bear with me.

    A confused soul(And medical aspirant)

    • realitycheck said, on May 23, 2016 at 3:16 am

      Thanks for the comment.

      I feel your anguish. All I can say is we adults have failed you all. From our judges to our think tanks to our ‘liberals’. All have failed the future of our country.

      NEET or otherwise, there is a total lack of debate leading to a nonchalant disrespect for lakhs of kids who have prepared for years.

      You have my best wishes .

      • Lalala. said, on May 23, 2016 at 6:58 am

        🙂 Thank you for your wishes. My parents usually say, we can’t directly do anything about it at the moment but least we can do is make the best of it.
        I am hoping in the coming years though, there will be something good happening. Forever optimistic 😀

    • Mallika said, on May 23, 2016 at 5:13 am

      Can you tell me, where your domicile is and if you are central board (CBSE, ICSE) student?

      • Lalala. said, on May 23, 2016 at 7:02 am

        Yes ma’am. I am from the state of Jharkhand and I am a CBSE student. However I have been privileged enough to be educated in Delhi.

      • Mallika said, on May 23, 2016 at 10:23 am

        Good luck to you.

        Also, consider the fact that several students in AP/Telangana, Maharashtra,Karnataka,Guj were studying for EAMCET/KCET/KLE/KOMED/GCET not AIPMT/NEET. Some of these equally hardworking kids will be writing the exam in Telugu/Kannada/MArathi etc. This abrupt change is causing havoc to the lakhs of kids writing an exam different from the one they prepared. An extremely unfair unethical, immoral decision by our ‘MiLords’.

      • Lalala. said, on May 23, 2016 at 1:22 pm

        I understand that ma’am. I have implied myself
        “5)I understand the concerns of students from state boards because let’s say it, I would have said the same thing had I been in their place. ”
        I agree it will be unfair on them, I never said it won’t be. But then, my understanding will still make no difference now 🙂 The mess has already been made.
        Thank you for your wishes!

    • sandeep gupta (@sandeepblore) said, on May 23, 2016 at 12:52 pm

      I appreciate your sentiments . What you have said is logically all correct but it is not technically correct as health is in concurrent list. GOI cannot interfere in matters which are under jurisdiction of state Govt . So south students having better opportunities cannot be held against them. It is not their fault that there are less medical colleges in North India.Regarding reservation I can tell you from my daughters personal experience last year, that your views will change once you will enter into a medical college & interact with reserved category students especially non metro students. The kind of facilities we get & kind of facilities they get . Just to give you an example my daughter calls the mess food of her medical college “inedible” but all reserved category students readily eat the same inedible food to their hearts content. And mind you I am middle class not rich & my daughter is in a medical college only because she got a free seat (as they call them) from state quota (General Merit)

      • Lalala. said, on May 23, 2016 at 1:34 pm

        Sir I am well aware a lot of my views won’t technically make sense. Please bear with me 😛 Also, my complaint of North India not having enough colleges is a mere rant and not an accusation towards South India. It is obviously not their fault. Well, I am rather inexperienced when it comes to what you are saying about reservations. You might be right about that. And I am not demeaning any of those students. However my pointing out reservation was because I have been educated in one of the best public schools in delhi. I have known people who got through great medical colleges by showcasing their family income to be lower than what it is and getting a ‘non-creamy’ layer quota.
        That is what I do not believe is right. There should be a quota for economically weaker sections rather than ‘backward castes’. Not everyone of a certain caste is backward. When they can afford the education, the opportunities we have, then why do they deserve an easier way out?

        I appreciate reservations but only for those who deserve it.

  7. George said, on May 23, 2016 at 5:43 am

    realitycheck, a good analysis. Could have included the effect of coaching factories. The links to articles in Hindu will be of help.
    One suicide was by an aspirant who made a good score but didn’t want to become an engineer.
    The Medical Council of India’s responsibility is to ensure quality of medical education. How they came to a conclusion that an all India test which tests the ability to study something will produce good doctors is not understandable. The primary condition to produce good doctors should be an interest in aspirants in becoming good doctors along with ability to study. How MCI came to the conclusion that other admission methods including state entrance will produce poor quality doctors is not understandable.
    Is it a proper and good method to test and grade a student of two years study in three hours?
    The stress on students could have been avoided if the the decision makers considered the students also.

  8. VSA said, on May 23, 2016 at 7:24 am

    Time to rename NEET as Under Graduate Lone Yardstick (UGLY).

  9. Mallika said, on May 23, 2016 at 11:02 am

    This decision on NEET is dividing the nation along linguistic, regional, Urban, rural schisms. A totally uncalled for situation. Kids in AP/Telangana are distraught at the last minute decision. My daughters juniors are in this terrible situation. This decision is all about privileging Delhi,CBSE over states. If this was all about ‘merit’ Manipal would have been chosen as, they conduct a far better exam than CBSE.

    Medical seats paucity is result of deliberately induced scarcity. There are 335 medical seats available (for general category) in Manipal and Manglore and 250 in KLE. I think last year 80,000 students wrote Manipal entrance test. In fact deemed Universities must be given incentives to set up Medical schools in backward areas.
    Instead our govt is curtailing seats in India. So,Manipal has a joint program to train doctors in Malaysia and Nepal. Meanwhile our kids go to China, Ukraine, Kazakastan for Medical education!

    We need Made in India Doctors.

  10. thecrazysim said, on May 23, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    Honestly k don’t see any problem with NEET but you do have a point. I don’t have a problem if State are exempted but i think Private colleges should be kept. Not Every Private College takes admission Like COMEDK .

    • Mallika said, on May 24, 2016 at 6:08 am

      In AP/Telangana state govt conducts private medical colleges entrance test. Why should we suffer because Bihar, UP do not?

      Why should State private colleges subsidize outsiders? NEET is all about privileging CBSE/ICSE over state boards. Eventually this will snowball into outsiders vs Insiders or rather States that have private medical seats Vs those who don’t and try to grab others seats unfairly.

  11. Manick said, on August 8, 2016 at 7:03 pm

    It is not all bad with NEET. Look at Tamil Nadu. You cannot force TN to conduct an entrance exam unless it comes in the form of NEET. Neither you can force them to be reasonable in scoring their state board students papers. Nor you can get them to use a reasonable normalization procedure like percentile based ranking.

    No CBSE student could enter the medical colleges in TN just because of the ineffective normalization procedure being adopted by the state govt. Where will these CBSE/ ICSE students go? A CBSE student with more than 97% could not get admission to MBBS seat in TN, because there are thousands of state board students scoring 100% & 99.5%. Add to these woes, other state boards like Kerala also doing the same thing (1200/1200). The top rankers in TN MBBS merit list this year came from three different state boards (TN, Kerala and Andhra), all with 100%.

    There should be an uniform and transparent method to select meritorious students to the highly prestigious medical stream. If not NEET, at least there should be an uniform evaluation of all the students.

  12. Orient Views said, on February 4, 2017 at 4:42 pm

    Excellent arguments.. To add further, i would first take the fundamental purpose of medical colleges?

    1. Medical colleges are there to train brighter youths of a society to get knowledge in medicine so that they could serve the society they came from. From that aspect, any merit list should be prepared within the society and NOT on global standard. So the societal population in tamilnadu may not be same as the societal population in delhi or say mumbai or even in chennai. IOI gang and also the RW gang consider whole of india as ONE single homogenous society, and this is the most fundamental reason for conceptualising an all india entrance test.

    2. In Current setup, a medical doctor from north india is working in a place & society that is far dis-connected from his own region & society. For eg, a doctor from orissa working in a hospital in vellore does not make any sense. He will not have any understanding of the population he may be serving. On the other hand, a person from local area becoming a doctor and serving back his home town / region, will be beneficial, as he would be accustomed to the life style and societal nature of his region.

    From this angle, i would say that TN medical colleges training TN students, AP medical colleges training AP students would be the best scenario as it exists today.

  13. Bala said, on September 1, 2017 at 4:39 pm


    You contradict yourself in the post on multiple occasions

    You says USA has MCAT but colleges have autonomy to choose even .after MCAT as they will introduce further evaluation based on their needs. At the same time you criticize if this is done by Xavier etc.

    Secondly you say ‘ TN State govt would take the national merit list and throw out all non-TN students and derive a state merit list. Not a single new seat will be added.’ But this seems to be incorrect as in TN this year many from outside TN have got admission due to NEET.

    The autonomy for colleges is still there. You yourself say in the post that colleges can carve out their own list from the master list based on quota (fees, caste etc..). This means colleges have the autonomy. Only the main master list is prepared by NEET. After that colleges can cherry pick.

    • rc2 said, on September 1, 2017 at 5:46 pm

      >> You says USA has MCAT but colleges have autonomy to choose even .after MCAT as they will introduce further evaluation based on their needs. At the same time you criticize if this is done by Xavier etc.

      What is your question? These are unrelated.

      >> ’ But this seems to be incorrect as in TN this year many from outside TN have got admission due to NEET.
      NEET did add a single extra seat. These got in by producing a Nativity certificate

      >> Only the main master list is prepared by NEET. After that colleges can cherry pick.

      Read my post again. College cant “cherry pick” – they cannot rearrange the merit list order.

      So sorry, I dont any contradiction.

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